Temple Grandin

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Fixing how we kill the animal shouldn't be the first thing we fix.

The animals are still fed a diet they do not naturally consume, that is a problem needing fixing.

The animals are still placed in psychological trauma, and from what I remember her saying is she thinks like a cow and if that's the case, then maybe she should have more correlation on the fact that its not okay to take a mother's cows calf away from her. If you say you think like these animals and yet do not correlate all of the aspects, yeah that doesn't fly with me.

The animals are still placed in small confined places, that is a problem needing fixing.

The health should be the first thing we consider, not how they are killed, but the health of the animal. A healthy animal is a healthy product and healthy us.

When we educate people on the health and welfare of the animals, then we fix broader problems.

The reason why animals are treated poorly, and slaughtered poorly is because they aren't treated with health and welfare. If these animals were treated with health and welfare, then they would be cared for even through death.

Its because we allow the other poor conditions to occur, that we have poor slaughter practices.

Sometimes, fixing one aspect doesn't fix any of the other aspects.

Let's say we had a wall. And there was a hole in the wall. It destroyed some of the electric circuits. If you patch the wall up, that just fixes the wall. It doesn't fix the wires. So all she has done is patch the wall, she has not fixed or tried to begin to fix the wiring.

Sometimes we need to fix the wires before we can fix the wall.

I'm currently volunteering for an animal sanctuary down here in Cali.

I work with a farm rescue helping down animals, animals just thrown in a dead pile and suffering while still living.

I protest at animal auctions.

I protested the state fair when they killed pregnant female cow, who was clearly scared and in distress.

I'm currently saving up my own money to have a farm rescue center.

I'm currently studying on agriculture and agriculture practices. Also practicing to be a vet to work on farm animals.

I'm working on ways to fix common practices....meaning I'm writing a book on how we can fix current practices.

Instead of giving people the scare speech about how poorly animals are treated, I ask them to challenge themselves and go vegan or vegetarian for a day and record how they feel. Advocating that in long term that we can have healthy food. Healthy food equals healthy us. I'm saying that if people like feeling healthy, we can have healthy practices which can keep the animals healthy and us who consume them healthy.

I'm trying to get into contact with people and maybe work with people on changing common practices in farming.

Shadi I disagree with her views on Autism in general. She makes a lot of blanket generalizations about Autism from her experiences, but in reality, people on the spectrum are a very diverse group with diverse abilities diverse weaknesses and diverse needs. She makes a lot of assumptions about other people with autism and she sucks up to the establishment.

All I'm saying is that Temple, has seen that a wall is broken.

But all she has done is put a patch on the wall.

You cannot patch over a wall and expect the lights to work, without working the wires as well.

She hasn't fixed the wires and it doesn't appear she has realized the wires yet.

I think I recall her kissing the ass of Autism Speaks. It wouldn't surprise me if she did because she has such a curbie mindset.

I hope you can effectively correct what you feel people like TG have failed to correct. It took me getting my boyfriend to read Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer before he would try going vegan. It was more due to the fact that I wanted to make grocery shopping easier because I'm used to doing everything vegan. Either way, the same book was the way I got a few friends to try going vegan as well. I'm not the best at communicating my feelings about the agricultural industry in the U.S., but I felt he summed up(quite well) the reasons it's for the benefit of people just as much as it is for animals to avoid eating the majority of animal products available in the U.S. and elsewhere.

My activism is focused on other areas of life but I do feel a certain kind of respect for anyone who is dedicated to changing the world for the better. Good on you.

You are not the only one who mentioned that she makes blanket generalizations, and she did have a more simplistic idea of autism a few years ago, and she surely still doesn't know everything, but as she says herself in the video I linked, she still learns every day, at some point for example she didn't know that not everyone thought in images like she does, but now she knows that there is many other ways. As you said its not her fault if some people see her as an authority, personally I see her as a person who has experienced how it is to be a non-verbal autistic with visual thinking, and I think she is courageous and generous to speak up like she does.

I think the best way to let her know when you disagree with some things she says would be if you have the chance to talk with her a little, I'm sure she would be willing to listen to your point of view and experiences. Maybe if you send her a email, maybe she would answer you, she must be very busy tho so you may have to be patient.

The truth is probably that I feel connected to these creatures.

I think the main issue, is that sometimes Temple speaks that she understands these creatures, but she correlates them with no pain. Like she can read they get frightened and she realizes what they see. But she doesn't associate them with pain.

Or that's how I read it.

I understand her point of view. For a long time in my life, I went through an animal phase. Meaning I made animal noises, even wanted to run away to live with deer. I still feel like they probably understand me better than most people. But I also correlate them with pain. I correlate they feel pain.

That's why I prefer people went vegan or ate less animal product.

But I also believe if we are going to eat meat, if we want to use animal products. We have to do it in a safe, healthy way. Not just for people. But for the animals as well.

Personally, I think they are animal products we can rid the grocery store of. Cows milk. We do not need to drink cows milk, actually the people who are tolerant and can drink cows milk are the ones with the mutation. The natural gene is that we're all lactose intolerant. Milk is meant for babies. Its meant for the baby animal. Simple as that.

There are delicious alternatives, that I think people are afraid to try. But I want to get people to try and slowly change their habits one by one. Almond milk for people who really like the creamy silky smoothness of milk, would really like Almond Milk. Hazlenut milk, Cashew Milk, Hemp Milk, Soymilk I don't think people like Soymilk because it can be a little watery, coconut milk, etc.

There are milks we can use that we do not need to rob from a mother and her calf.

I think we as people need to start voting smart. Every time we go to the grocery market and buy a food product we are essentially voting. If we can change even the slightest of habits, its good for the earth, good for the animal, and good for the people.

But it seems so idealistic. Yet I'm willing to strive for it.

Pun... What's the beef with Temple Grandin. Do you get it like cattle? Temple understands thus "gets" cattle.

If you don't like Temple then you have a problem with me. Let's begin my intrusion on this conversation this way. I am trying not to appear rude but I am.

Booo. Bad pun.

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Not even a knee slapper.

Oh well.. Lighten up folks. She is an advocate and the politics of pride and envy always will sway amongst each-other especially potentially for special interest reasons. However your being text and she being real-life confirmed I'd need to know if you really have autism to attempt to figure out the dislikes.

I'm not sure what else I could say, other then to mention that she thinks in images and this helped her understand what animals may feel going through the area where they will be killed (again, unfortunately sigh), how shadows, reflections, etc, can make them very nervous, and also her ability to understand them generally. She is doing what she can and what she is good at, using her own way of thinking, and I don't know if she has expertise in the other areas you mentioned.

May she be blessed for what she does, and may you be blessed too for what you do, the world is a better place because of you both.

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I suggest that you appeal to people on the platform of economic issues and health concerns surrounding the meat industry.

Thanks I knew I was missing something.