This changes EVERYTHING for me, I have lots of hope now !

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Does this tactic usually work for you? You are threatening to kill yourself over how you interpret that some anonymous person treated some other anonymous person? Maybe you should stay off the internet as it doesn't sound like it's very good for you.

I follow the Tim Minchin school of alternative medicine. However, I really crave some tea right now.

What's your definition of spam?

To me, spam is a message (whether message board, email, or blog comment) that is trying to sell something and has a link. Or at least mentions a specific product -- that is, as specific brand. No brand name was mentioned. Jiaogulan is an herb, not a brand. This is no more spam that if someone posted saying "drink milk, it cures everything". Even if someone who sold milk posted that, it wouldn't be spam. Annoying and inappropriate, yes. But not spam.

So, even if he's lying and actually pushing something he's selling, still, then, he gave us no information on how to find his jiaogulan tea in particular. Not spam.

Personally, I think he's yet another person dropping in with his overenthusiastic "this worked for me".

And in this case, unlike some, he's not saying everyone should try it, and he's not labeling it a cure. In fact, quite the opposite -- he said he's planning to go for a diagnosis.

I'm surprised so many people jumped at the OP, and accused him of spamming without taking into consideration that it may be a placebo effect that he genuinely believes is helping. I remember reading a very recent study that suggested placebo pills can actually help even when the patient knows it is a placebo. My mother has had numerous heart attacks in the past and very high blood pressure. She said that the blood pressure medicine the doctor was giving her seemed to be making her feel worse. I was very worried when she stopped taking the medicine and turned to natural remedies, but now she seems to be doing alot better. I truly believe the herbal medicines she takes are helping her, but only because she THINKS they are helping her. To the OP, herbal tea isn't my thing, but if it seems to help your anxiety then more power to you.

Welcome to the board! Thank you for the name of the tea. I will look it up and try it.

Happy New Year

Pretty loose, and obviously in this case not the classic "unsolicited bulk advertising".
It depends on the context, believability and presentation style of claims made (and it usually involves claims).
That post rang all the bells although I'm quite happy to be proved wrong.

Yeah, jerks and a-holes comes to mind for some of the posts that have followed mine (now that Jellybean has written this first). But I don't want to offend anyone more than I think I already have (why..I'm still not sure) so I will just say that if you don't like what I am saying you should question your motivation for feeling this way,

Thanks for the decency and support that the few of you have given me. For everyone else at least take the time to read my post(s) more carefully and you may want to rethink how you feel.

Anywhooo - several more days have passed since I started this topic and I'm still drinking the tea.

I will sum up what I know or at least what I think I know:

Pretty darn sure I would be easily diagnosed with A/S Syndrome. I have most if not all the classic symptoms.

I consider myself someone who has succeeded in many areas and the ones that I have succeeded the least would be the ones requiring close personal relationships with other people. I was an outstanding student in all disciplines except maybe Arts. I have an Engineering Degree from a prestigious University and Graduated at the very top of my class. I also have an MBA. The point of all of this is that I am very accomplished scholastically.

My career however has been very disappointing, call it stagnant and I have been through a few devastating relationships that started out well and ended badly. I'm divorced once and currently married again and consider myself very lucky to have someone with me like my wife.

I didn't find out that I had Aspergers until a few weeks ago. I think if I found out any sooner, or let's say much earlier in my life, it may have really worked against me because I would have been discouraged and believed there was no point because i had so many inherent limitations. In other words, the reason I achieved is because I thought I was like everyone else so I just worked as hard as I could. I actually thought I was really smart because I did well at school.

2) For me, from how I see it at the moment, comorbid conditions have been a greater problem than the A/S. Specifically I believe that I suffer from an EXTREME anxiety disorder.

3) How do I know about the anxiety problem, well I didn't know (although it had been suggested before) until I tried the Jiaogulan Tea. So when the anxiety dissappears, its like, "So this is how everyone else has it, damned they are lucky, and damned my life has been so difficult.

4) Not every day and every minute under the influence of the tea is perfect nor am I all of a sudden able to continue my life without A/S and achieve all kinds of things that I would not achieve otherwise. Not really even close to that. It hasn't cured my A/S but here is how I see what happens when "under the Jiaogulan influence":

- I still have the [b]exact same anxious thoughts[/b] let's say whenever something "annoying" happens which for me would be something most normal people would consider only a slight bit annoying or not annoying at all (example a loud airplane flying overhead esp when I least expected it or the phone ringing, again when I least expected it or really when I don't want to be disturbed which for me is most of the time)
- But the anxious thoughts produce much less of whatever "terrible" physical responses my body would normally have (production/release of certain hormones/chemicals/adrenaline) produced (I'm not sure if this is the anxiety or the A/S that causes this, or maybe both) SOOOO as a result

- the lack of a strong physical response does not reinforce and increase the magnitude of the original negative thought thereby stimulating and increasing the magnitude of the original"terrible" physical responses

- I stay calmer and within a few seconds am able to put whatever happened in my past and move on to whatever I was doing before being interrupted


OK, well this is enough for now and I hope this further explains where I am at and how I see it/

Now I will read the rest of this thread and see whatever some others have written


BTW, the reason I gave my topic such a lame and predictable title was hopefully to get some attention.

I realized that my choice of title verges on SPAM. This was intentional because I thought this could still help at least one other person.

BTW PART 2 - I've tried all kinds of things like Gingko Biloba, pharmaceutical grade fish oil, green tea, white tea, Ginseng etc not to help with my A/S syndrome (because I didn't know until recently) but for general health and for me, there is no comparison with anything I have tried when it comes to relieving anxiety and instilling a feeling of calmness to Jiaogulan.

I can't say that the other products don't do anything but I have no proof either way.

The tea however IS night and day and I have never felt anything like it for anxiety/calming nerves (except perhaps alcohol and recreational drugs .



































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Last edited by gator_fan on 04 Jan 2011, 3:22 pm, edited 2 times in total.

No, its not the placebo effect. But I agree that a placebo effect can be very strong. But this for me is something very real.

Its a very physical sensation for me. When I'm "On the tea" which is now most of the time and something "annoying" happens (which for me is pretty much anything that is loud and or unscheduled and/or something that cuts into "my time") I feel "chemical calmness" running through my body.

So its a drug like feel, but one of both control over my emotions and strong relaxation sensation at the same time.

Appreciate your comments and apology.

Again, I'm saying its a game changer for me. I would describe it as more than something that relieves tension (that's how I would describe masturbation ) although it does definitely relieve tension.

To illustrate what I am trying to say if my level of anxiety towards something I consider unpleasant (which as I have written above, for me, can be the simplest of things like a telephone ringing when I am completely absorbed in something I like to do) is normally between 7 and 9 out of 10, when I am "on the tea" I would suggest that it would lie between 2 and 4 out of 10.

So you admit deliberately using language that would elicit a reaction then when you get a reaction it's because people are as*holes?

Wow. I just can't keep up with this.

Why try?

It's not that I disliked what you were saying, as such - but it's nice to have the motivation behind my feelings for your post confirmed.
For reference, and hopefully the avoidance of something else looking spam-like - it helps if doesn't actually look like spam.

Meanwhile; if anything I said offended you then I apologise.
I was annoyed by the post - but not you.

I won't honour this above with a reply, its not correct.

In this thread from this point forward I will only comment on posts that apply to the specific content of what I have written and NOT comment on an incorrect "assumed objective" unless that objective is to possibly help others.

No apology required ! !

I think I am a reasonable and intelligent person and will get along fine with all others here, as long as they are also reasonable and intelligent !

Jiaogulan Tea hurts my stomach and gives me diarrhea.

Jyggalag tea makes me manic. Then I have to go down to the local Greymarch and pick up some Sheogorath to balance everything out.