I'm proud to be autistic, you should be too

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Well being proud of being autistic would be like being proud of been born as Trust Fund Timmy, why should you be proud of something that you have not earned?

Having said that I was very very ashamed of myself growing up (undiagnosed) I really believed it when people said I'd turn out to be a sociopath or end up in jail; it seems I was no alone:

www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6464486.html



The jokes on them HA HA I wouldn't hurt a fly , or a pig or a cow (I'm vegan) At the risk of sounding controversial or holier than though it does surprise me their ae so many aspies who "love" animals yet who still eat still eat dead animals and their secretions .

Speciesism especially comeing from an aspie perceptive is something I will never understand . Not that I ever judge , having said that "controversial" Peta may have been on to something with their "Holocaust on Your plate" campaign, offensive to Jews hardly one of the creators of that campaign had parents who where holocaust survivors. Anyway better stop now

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Everything PETA does is offensive.

I eat meat because when I try to eat just vegetables and vegetarian foods, I just get hungry and crave meat. I also have a hard time with the texture of a lot of vegetables, depending on how they're cooked. I'm not inclined to feel guilty for this, although I am no fan of factory farming.

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Disagree. What PETA stand for is fine, in my opinion - it's only their simplistic doctrinaire arguments and their penchant for sloganeering that undermindes any credibility they might have that's why - as another veggie - I donate to Animal Aid rather than them.

I certainly said nothing about what PETA stands for, only what PETA does, and what PETA does is offensive. I am opposed to cruelty against animals, but PETA does not strike me as doing anything about that, being instead more about garish spectacle or exploiting human suffering to make points about animals.

PETA is cruel to animals. They've done a lot worse than tasteless advertising.

Fundamentally they have a reasonable stance like any organization looking out for the welfare of others - but they're way too close to looking like an extreme right-wing nut-job outfit for my tastes. (not saying they actually are any of these things; that's just what their actions and style remind me rather too much of).

And as regards eating meat (Ok, other dead animals if you like) - if it's Ok for other animals to eat other animals, I don't see the logic in why people eating meat is just so terrible.

I'm certainly not proud to be autistic, but I'll tell anyone that I have it. I don't see how you can be proud of something you have no control of.

Thank you. I tend to get fixated on specific points and forget to mention things outside that context like picking up animals for adoption and then euthanizing them.

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Have you ever asked yourself why they euthanize these animals, don't believe everything the Internet journalists tell you (which is what the Peta detractors seem to do.)

Having said that I'm not their greatest fans ethier , even so they have their place in the grand scheme of things I suppose just like the welfarists at the RSPCA.

Google is your friend "Peta victories"

I did try to find this out, but the only information I could find was in direct contradiction to every other available source on the matter.

A bit more than "internet journalists" have talked about this:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
http://www.newsweek.com/2008/04/27/peta ... nasia.html
http://articles.sfgate.com/2005-06-23/o ... ad-animals
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/09/petas ... cs-fuming/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8255324/ns/ ... et_health/

PETA victories seem to be about their sensationalist campaigns against fast food restaurants. Really, those campaigns seem fairly pointless to me and not an effective use of resources at all, and they seem to be more about spectacle than effectiveness.

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I don't see the point in being proud of something you can't help.

This, same for gay pride and black pride etc.

I was aware that PETA euthanizes animals, but these articles would admittedly appear to suggest that it takes place on a much larger scale than I previously thought. One thing I will say, though, is that I think euthanising an animal is the lesser of two evils compared to allowing it to suffer in a "research facility" (as that third article somewhat euphemistically describes a vivisection lab).

To cheer me up, my mentor once commented that an Aspie's mind is like a super fast and fancy car.... It's very very impractical to drive! It's too beautiful to drive around in the muck with all the gravel and stuff chipping at it, the glass the ornaments.

I have a medal, I got for helping the poor for 10 years, the Albertan government gave it to me. So I brought it to China to impress my dad with it. He was only impressed for a short while. now because I removed it from the saftey matrix of my room/desk, and it has travled all the way to China with me, it was dented a nice shiny smooth medal, (it's gold painted, because gold is too soft a metal, they use hard center and the outer is Gold). Now I'm depressed. Because I have to hide it from a totally psychotic step mom, who has tried to cut off my cat tail with knife (until dad wrestled her down), I brough other souviners to show dad, who I haven't seen in like 15 years. Juding how she torn down a RARE poster I ganked from the olympic village's computer room (It was end of games, and I figured meh why not?), she tore that down, thank god she didn't throw it out. So knowing her impluse control problems. I hid my souviners. Again. the RARE treasures tarnished in the regular normal NT world. Dented medal, faded reflective paint on my Vanoc uniform. I should have stayed in Canada, sheesh. No money is worth this insane abuse.

Anyways, the treasures the valuables like my medal, or the car, or the poster, are valuables that are cool (Aspergers), and the damages or potential for damages is NT's "Normal world".

Well....in all honesty, I think your thread title is a bit presumptuous for one thing. When it comes to things like this at least, I don't feel I have any business even suggesting what others should/should not be, do, have, etc.....


For another......I personally cannot look at this or much of anything else as a matter of pride. I am a determinist and therefore do not believe anyone has a legitimate ( i.e. rational/logical) reason to take pride (or it's opposite) in anything.


Saying one is "proud/ashamed" to be black, white, gay, straight, neurotypical, etc......makes no more sense to me.

Nor do I see any reason anyone should say they're "proud/ashamed" to have Down syndrome, be a member of mensa, to work for Microsoft, to have attended Harvard, etc....


IMO...all these things (and everything else for that matter) are issues of complete neutrality when it comes to "pride" and "shame".

We simply are who and what we are via nature and nurture....it's as simple as that IMO.


Oh....one more thing. I would suggest that before you say things like "autism is a gift", you might want to say instead something like "autism is a gift for me", or at least, "I believe autism is a gift".

That way it doesn't sound like you're making or implying some objective statement about something which is clearly anything but.

Some people with ASD's believe just as strongly that it's a curse. Who is anyone to say you are right and they are wrong or vice versa?


From the strictly logical AND deterministic (since even those of you who believe in free will can't possibly think we "chose" to be autistic or neurotypical) perspective, nobody is "right" or "wrong" here.