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18 Aug 2011, 9:00 pm

I dont usually talk about this due to the fact I dont want people to think Im nuts and end up ringing the men in the white coats on me. Im into ghosthunting and the paranormal, the group I go with on ghosthunting evenings consist of four people who have Aspergers Syndrome and the rest NTs. We seem to be more aware of what is around us and our noses, ears and eyes are more attune to things than NTs its called Third eye.



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18 Aug 2011, 9:10 pm

Prove your claims, or admit that you can't.

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19 Aug 2011, 12:03 am

If you were to hang out with me long enough, you'd have your proof.



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19 Aug 2011, 7:00 am

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I'm not a fake fraud or a liar.

This example of lack of empathy right here exists in everyone.

For example when Tom Cruise was bashing Brooke Shields over post partum depression acting as if just mere vitamins would help her.

Then his wife got pregnant and oops, he had to apologize to Brooke Shields because suddenly it hit home.

Just because you yourself don't experience it doesn't mean others do not. So being called a fake, fraud and a liar is rather insulting. What I experience is real and the people who have been around to witness it aren't loons either. As a matter of fact they didn't believe what I was trying to warn them about and did the opposite. :roll:


Even more selective memory.

We aren't singling you out, honey. Nobody has psychic powers.


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19 Aug 2011, 7:43 am

Interesting topic to bring up...

I have experienced what you would call "ESP" though I believe, it is heightened empathy, as if I were to see in ultraviolet... I can pick up emotions, tactile vibrations, etc, within a vicinity...
I've also had strange connections to other people who I suspect are 'on the spectrum' or somehow mentally close to me...
I would say I am almost 100% intuitive and almost 0% logical which is probably something to consider...
And, I have scored normal on empathy type tests... I can pick up peoples emotions or hidden intent easily and it makes it hard to 'play the game' because I like honesty and i do not enjoy their what i call NT 'reindeer games' ie, passive aggression, not saying what they mean, intentional manipulation, gossip, the list goes on ....
But, I just can't *EXPRESS* the empathy I feel for other people... poker face

On that note, I believe "psychic" should be heavily associated with animal behavior... 1 example is, when you are riding a horse, the horse can sense where your head is turned through your subtle muscle movements...
Also... birds intuitively forming a flock... They do not use complex language or fancy ways of communicating they just... do it... Per haps in sublte ways of bird communication, their consciousness becomes collective.
I believe peoples "psychic" abilities are just animal abilities lost in language.... It is still there since it's rooted in our basic unconscious... The trick is to bring your unconscious to your consciousness.... Which could also be psychotic
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19 Aug 2011, 7:43 am

TheygoMew wrote:
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Since Theory of Mind is problematic, I'm thinking mind reading is out.


Not true. When it comes to people, I pick up on their feelings but not from thinking about it but I feel it. I've had predictions that have come true. Dreams that have come true.
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That isn't psychic. That's human (or mammalian). Picking up on feelings but not from thinking about it but feeling it is part of our mammalian heritage. (I say mammalian because I don't think birds or lizards or fish do it but I could be wrong.) People do it. Animals do it with other animals and with people.

Predictions and dreams that come true are more specifically human than mammalian. That predictive ability is what let us re-shape the earth in ways that other species can't. It isn't 100% in anybody, but the predictive ability had better be well above 0% or the person will be completely unable to function. Recent dream research theorizes that one of the functions of dreams is to run a consequence-free simulation of how to deal with negative things and we draw on that subconscious knowledge while awake. So it only makes sense that some dreams would have come true. If they are a (non-linear) simulator, then your brain has run many simulations of things relevent to your life. The whole point of this evolutionary adaption is to help you subconsciously prepare for things that may happen, and so inevitably some of those things do happen- because humans are good at predicting.



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19 Aug 2011, 7:53 am

archraphael wrote:
Interesting topic to bring up...

I have experienced what you would call "ESP" though I believe, it is heightened empathy, as if I were to see in ultraviolet... I can pick up emotions, tactile vibrations, etc, within a vicinity...
I've also had strange connections to other people who I suspect are 'on the spectrum' or somehow mentally close to me...


That's fairly similar to gaydar, yet I've never seen anyone claim that gay people are psychic.

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I would say I am almost 100% intuitive and almost 0% logical which is probably something to consider...
And, I have scored normal on empathy type tests... I can pick up peoples emotions or hidden intent easily and it makes it hard to 'play the game' because I like honesty and i do not enjoy their what i call NT 'reindeer games' ie, passive aggression, not saying what they mean, intentional manipulation, gossip, the list goes on ....
But, I just can't *EXPRESS* the empathy I feel for other people... poker face


How is that the same as being psychic?

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On that note, I believe "psychic" should be heavily associated with animal behavior... 1 example is, when you are riding a horse, the horse can sense where your head is turned through your subtle muscle movements...


That's not psychic. You just explained why they did it.

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Also... birds intuitively forming a flock... They do not use complex language or fancy ways of communicating they just... do it... Per haps in sublte ways of bird communication, their consciousness becomes collective.


Subtle communication is not the same thing as being psychic.

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I believe peoples "psychic" abilities are just animal abilities lost in language.... It is still there since it's rooted in our basic unconscious... The trick is to bring your unconscious to your consciousness.... Which could also be psychotic...


Psychic =! psychotic


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19 Aug 2011, 4:36 pm

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Can Aspies be psychic?

Since there is no valid material evidence to support any claims of physic ability, it is reasonable to say that nobody can be psychic, Aspie or otherwise.


And we have a winner.



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19 Aug 2011, 4:46 pm

I do have a strong intuition, because when I know a situation is coming up, I analyze it in my head, and little thoughts tell me that X might happen in the situation which will result in Y then I will have to do Z. I can't use intuition on anyone else though, so I am not a psychic. But everyone uses intuition on themselves, so I don't start associating these things with having AS.

My intuitions have been completely wrong before. My mum's friend got pregnant last year, and every time she was brought up, a baby boy kept coming to my mind, even if they weren't talking about her being pregnant. I was wondering if it was some sort of eerie psychic messages telling me that this woman was going to have a baby boy, and this lasted throughout the whole 9 months of her pregnancy. Nobody else really thought about it one way or another. My mum had a feeling she was having a boy, but nobody had these strong messages like I did. Then when I found out she had a baby girl, I was really surprised.
Actually it disappointed me, because I kept having eerie messages in my mind telling me that the man I currently have a crush on is going to ask me out someday and will love and cherish me, but if I was wrong about my mum's friend having a baby boy, I am most probably wrong with this gorgeous man asking me out. What a shame! :)


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19 Aug 2011, 6:44 pm

Janissy wrote:
TheygoMew wrote:
wavefreak58 wrote:
Since Theory of Mind is problematic, I'm thinking mind reading is out.


Not true. When it comes to people, I pick up on their feelings but not from thinking about it but I feel it. I've had predictions that have come true. Dreams that have come true.
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That isn't psychic. That's human (or mammalian). Picking up on feelings but not from thinking about it but feeling it is part of our mammalian heritage. (I say mammalian because I don't think birds or lizards or fish do it but I could be wrong.) People do it. Animals do it with other animals and with people.

Predictions and dreams that come true are more specifically human than mammalian. That predictive ability is what let us re-shape the earth in ways that other species can't. It isn't 100% in anybody, but the predictive ability had better be well above 0% or the person will be completely unable to function. Recent dream research theorizes that one of the functions of dreams is to run a consequence-free simulation of how to deal with negative things and we draw on that subconscious knowledge while awake. So it only makes sense that some dreams would have come true. If they are a (non-linear) simulator, then your brain has run many simulations of things relevent to your life. The whole point of this evolutionary adaption is to help you subconsciously prepare for things that may happen, and so inevitably some of those things do happen- because humans are good at predicting.


Yes however I've experienced both.



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19 Aug 2011, 7:29 pm

The following thing happened to me a few days ago: My friend and I have borrowed a car from someone because both our cars are not running (neither have cooling system problems). She took his car into town one afternoon and I took a nap. While I was sleeping, I dreamed that she had been in town in my car and returned home. I went outside (in the dream) to find my car with the hood up, the radiator cap off, and a hose in it overflowing water onto the engine. I became so upset in the dream that I woke up, relieved to find it was a dream and went back to sleep. An hour later my friend really came home and told me that while she was out, the borrowed car overheated and she had opened the radiator (after it cooled) and added water.

This really happened, exactly as I have written above.


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19 Aug 2011, 7:48 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's just your opinion, Fnord, and that's fine for you but I don't have to share it.

I am not going by the Webster's definition of savant. I am going by the autistic definition- someone who can do wondrous, inexplicable
acts with the mind, whether that be thinking or otherwise.

I have just as much right to call these abilities 'psychic' in orientation as people have to say it's a matter of being a savant since savants do not study. Their ability appears innate and is thought to be connected to their autism.



I think you are being silly.

There are no 'psychic powers' and there is no such thing as an 'autistic definition'.

Please stop encouraging people to believe in superstition, nonsense, and woo.


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19 Aug 2011, 8:03 pm

It's really depressing that the "psychics" in this thread are so stubborn. The actual explanation is far more interesting than just I HAZ SPESHUL POWERZ. I'm sorry that you have to live in a fantasy world to feel good about yourselves.

Oh, and this might as well be your theme song.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs[/youtube]

(Ugh, I can't believe I posted an ICP song. It seemed appropriate, though, since they also want to close themselves off to science and believe in magic.)


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19 Aug 2011, 9:46 pm

I love your attempts of marginalizing and projection. Who is being stubborn? I've had many experiences in my life and that is my proof. I don't need to prove anything to the idiots in this thread who try to twist this topic into bashing someone who dares share their experiences. You're coming across as spiteful. Any particular reason why? You're the ones who are acting childish and trying to invoke negativity.

There is something I am corrected on however. A friend who knows me has told me I am not psychic but clairvoyant. I did not know there was a difference however proceed with your unnecessary bashing because really you're the one who is trying to make yourself feel better about your non belief in a negative manner.

I am not going to defend myself on this subject to people who just want to be rude about it. I hope nobody in the near future upsets you about their ignorance on your own experiences with let's say...aspergers or autism or perhaps your religion. You are acting just like those people.



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19 Aug 2011, 10:41 pm

Actually, you're the one being stubborn. Even though people have given you natural explanations for your ~powers~, you still keep insisting that they're wrong.


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19 Aug 2011, 11:22 pm

Whatever you say Nancy Grace. :lol:

P.S. I predict...you are the type of person who HAS to have the last 'word'.