Horrifying portrayal of Aspie man in local paper

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04 Mar 2011, 10:58 am

I have AS, but I'm not a stalker. Some may say that I'm a stalker because I follow my favourite band around the area where I live. (I got to all the concerts that are less than a 6 1/2 drive away, and now I am going to a concert where I actually have to take a plane to get there), sure, I hang out outside their bus trying to meet them, but they don't mind, they know who I am. We aren't allowed ON the bus, but they don't mind if we are hanging out AROUND the bus.


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04 Mar 2011, 11:54 am

This guy is giving us a bad name, whether he realizes it or not. It's probably not his agenda to do that, and I sympathize that he probably IS being made fun of, and taunted, as many of us have been (or are being). I get harassed by police now & then, when they think my body language and eye movements don't fall in line with my words or actions. I don't blame them on one hand, but on the other hand, there NEEDS TO BE more law enforcement personnel training on Asperger's and Autism.

There's no excuse for doing to the neighborhood what that article alleges, but I also know how the media work. I believe about 40% of what's written, and I believe that there is at least 40% of additional information which is omitted in many stories.

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04 Mar 2011, 1:34 pm

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This guy is giving us a bad name, whether he realizes it or not. It's probably not his agenda to do that, and I sympathize that he probably IS being made fun of, and taunted, as many of us have been (or are being). I get harassed by police now & then, when they think my body language and eye movements don't fall in line with my words or actions. I don't blame them on one hand, but on the other hand, there NEEDS TO BE more law enforcement personnel training on Asperger's and Autism.

There's no excuse for doing to the neighborhood what that article alleges, but I also know how the media work. I believe about 40% of what's written, and I believe that there is at least 40% of additional information which is omitted in many stories.

Charles


I think we all get harassed now and again, but usually it's just "sticks and stones" unless you do something besides just roll your eyes and ignore it.

And you're right, there's probably a LOT more to this story.

In California, I could very easily get a 30-day restraining order against anyone, all you do is fill out a form and pay a fee. This is designed to protect people who really need it (good), but also opens up the system for abuse. It could be just another vehicle to harass the guy in this case.

But once again, I think he brought it on himself in this case.



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04 Mar 2011, 1:38 pm

Those are the excuses people use to keep us separated from the rest of society. Some of them are very old, and go back to the eugenics movement or further.

Yes, I believe a lot of it is just media opportunism, to exploit the NT tendency to value perception and "branding" over rationally calculated reasoning (at least, as concerns media and advertising in general). Unless one of the journalists has an immediate family member with autism...unlikely this angle of psychological warfare against us Aspies is gonna change. Same mentality why teachers ignore Aspie complaints about bullying, trying to convince the Aspie target that it's deserved due to his own odd behaviour - but the underlying reality is that teachers in general are anti-Aspie b/c it's "extra work". Institutional discrimination is not just limited to the media, but they sure put a negative spin on Aspie-ness. The warped individual who did this is probably not Aspie but just a psychopath trying to discredit Aspies - I'm sure he has harassed and bullied Aspies in the past and his motives are 2-birds-for-one-stone: carry out his despicable action AND THEN claim to be an Aspie to take a cheap shot at the people he hates so much. On that note, with respect to institutional bullying, I think that in the case of the bully and the Aspie in middle school, the former is far more likely to exhibit the kind of antisocial behaviour described - while their target grows up feeling cowed and marginalized, so society loses TWO potentially productive members by not addressing the matter sooner.

They say that Aspies are not good at seeing the big picture, but how's that for big picture thinking?
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04 Mar 2011, 1:51 pm

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I was denied housing once because the landlady in question had a 3-year-old son and when she heard I was autistic she told the person who was calling on my behalf that I might hurt her son. She knew nothing of me, only that I was autistic, and she'd probably seen Rain Man or something. >_<


Isn't that illegal or something?


Under the fair housing and employment act, and the americans with disabilities act, it is ILLEGAL! HIPAA makes it illegal to mention it, or even look at his records.



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04 Mar 2011, 2:31 pm

That article is horrifying for many reasons. I agree with everyone here, this guy is an individual with his own set of issues. asperger's is an aspect of his personality, not the 'cause' of his illegal behaviors. BUT, looking through the sequence of events, I'd say this fear mongering community and police department set this guy up. All of a sudden, after his 'concerned neighbors' vandalized his unsecured the van that the police department so conceniently left open, the guy has 37 restraining orders?

Paintball gun? A small scratch in a car that could probably be buffed out in under 5 minutes?

Sounds like this community just want to ship their 'problem' off to someone else. If his Asperger's is such an issue, why wasn't their psychological evaluations and testimpony at his trial to get him evaluated and possibly ruled incompetent? If he is such a danger he needs 24hr supervision, it sure sounds like his rights have been violated as a disabled citizen.

Whatever actually did or did not happen, this is a prime example of sheep mentality. Toss the black sheep to the wolves to ensure the homogeny of the flock. Welcome back to the Dark Ages. Can't say we missed them...



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04 Mar 2011, 2:35 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
kinftw wrote:
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I was denied housing once because the landlady in question had a 3-year-old son and when she heard I was autistic she told the person who was calling on my behalf that I might hurt her son. She knew nothing of me, only that I was autistic, and she'd probably seen Rain Man or something. >_<


Isn't that illegal or something?


Under the fair housing and employment act, and the americans with disabilities act, it is ILLEGAL! HIPAA makes it illegal to mention it, or even look at his records.


anbuend is female.



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04 Mar 2011, 2:40 pm

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That article is horrifying for many reasons. I agree with everyone here, this guy is an individual with his own set of issues. asperger's is an aspect of his personality, not the 'cause' of his illegal behaviors. BUT, looking through the sequence of events, I'd say this fear mongering community and police department set this guy up. All of a sudden, after his 'concerned neighbors' vandalized his unsecured the van that the police department so conceniently left open, the guy has 37 restraining orders?

Paintball gun? A small scratch in a car that could probably be buffed out in under 5 minutes?

Sounds like this community just want to ship their 'problem' off to someone else. If his Asperger's is such an issue, why wasn't their psychological evaluations and testimpony at his trial to get him evaluated and possibly ruled incompetent? If he is such a danger he needs 24hr supervision, it sure sounds like his rights have been violated as a disabled citizen.

Whatever actually did or did not happen, this is a prime example of sheep mentality. Toss the black sheep to the wolves to ensure the homogeny of the flock. Welcome back to the Dark Ages. Can't say we missed them...


Also, the HB police are notorious for this sort of thing so it doesn't really surprise me. They shook me down once for being a "punk rocker" many years ago when I lived there just because I was wearing an "Adolescents" T-shirt. They won, I eventually just moved...



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04 Mar 2011, 7:30 pm

kinftw wrote:
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I was denied housing once because the landlady in question had a 3-year-old son and when she heard I was autistic she told the person who was calling on my behalf that I might hurt her son. She knew nothing of me, only that I was autistic, and she'd probably seen Rain Man or something. >_<


Isn't that illegal or something?


I'm pretty damn sure it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Housing_Act


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04 Mar 2011, 7:59 pm

no wonder aspies and autistics have been given such a bad rap! one bad apple has to ruin it for us all! Yes, we have difficulty "reading between the lines" but we know what is and is not lawful. Yes, we are inclined to stare, but we also know that its rude and even perverted to stare in peoples windows! This guy apparantly doesnt know the meaning of the word "self restraint" And the NTs who commented.... Acting like everyone who recieves a diagnosis of Autism of AS should be locked up and never shown the light of day! I know of severtal autistic people who are successful function members of society...take Temple Grandin for instance! Where do you think society would be if the most unique minds in it were institutionalized? probably still living in caves...


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04 Mar 2011, 9:52 pm

AS should not be the issue, but this person seems to have a criminal personality, and needs help.



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04 Mar 2011, 10:59 pm

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I agree with having something else going on besides autism. It doesn't have to be an actual "mental disorder" though -- people like this can be this way because they're just not particularly nice or ethical people, without having something actually diagnosable about them.
Yes, I agree with that. There's no real indication that he has anything diagnosable other than AS; but he does seem to be a real jerk.

Having AS doesn't stop you from deciding to be a jerk. But it doesn't force you to decide to be a jerk, either.
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05 Mar 2011, 5:26 am

Autistics are a minority group and minority groups always get labeled in the press. Being a biker it makes my blood boil when I read something like "Biker caught with drugs" but never "Car-driver caught with drugs". If you're not average Joe then the press will point this out in any story.



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05 Mar 2011, 5:39 am

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I'm not defending the guy at all.

I am just furious that they made "Autism" such a prominent part of the article and the explivit explanation for his behavior.

What happens if one of my neighbors catches me posting on WP?

Maybe they should put up a website posting where "unsupervised Aspies" live so the public can protect themselves?


I am freaked out. The whole concept we should be suprevised horrifies me. Most of us are responsible or at least harmless people. Someone is a bad one but so NTs. If a NT is a wrongdoer nobody says all NTs should be suprevised. I am so pissed off.



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05 Mar 2011, 5:50 am

A history of lewd behavior and he keeps peering into his neighbors windows with a flashlight? That's not in the DSM. :lol:

I think it's funny that they try to pin the whole of his behavior on AS, as if NTs don't do that kind of stuff. I guess they don't have any other details and have to play up the ones they do have.



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05 Mar 2011, 8:25 am

My own view of the matter is that the police have a duty to prevent crime as well as to arrest criminals, if they were aware that the van was unlocked but left it in that state on a public road then the "reasonable man" would understand how to contents would be very likely to be stolen by passers by.

So from a civil law point of view I would say that the police have commited a tort against the man, I would argue that they should replace the stolen items on a new for old basis, in the case of the unlawful release of information I think that it is harder to fix.

I would reason if the man is unable to live in a home due to the release of information that the police department should be required to find an equivilent home for the person at their expense. If they winge about the cost, then they should point out that they made a reckless choice which can be understood as themselves attempting to impose a fine (through the loss or destruction of property) without due process of law. I would rule if I was a judge that this attempt to subvert the legal system then should result in the police officers responsible having fewer legal rights regarding "due process" than the normal citizen.

On the criminal side I think that the man's conduct is not acceptable but I would also like to point out that the newspaper may well be guilty of a crime of incitement of hatred against a minority.


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