Im just not making any progress socially and im lonely

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I think you need to follow your own advice.

I'm not sure who gave you a magic beanie that can read minds but yours is most certainly broken. I never said or even implied that you are either a nice guy or a jerk. I gave advice on how to initially attract women. This advice actually works. Women function on an instinctual level when it comes to dating. Once you understand those instincts and what emotional, physical, and auditory cues you need in order to feed into those instincts then you get the initial attraction started. Once you are with the woman I would suggest a person should treat her well and be a nice person but if she begins to play games then you nip those in the bud quickly. If that is being a jerk well that is what you have to do.

My advice is not to play games at all My advice is to nip those games in the bud by taking charge of the situation. The person that plays the nice guy and goes along with the BS is playing the game not the guy who acts confident and in charge.


BTW being confident will always be seen as being a little arrogant. Arrogance isn't bad when used correctly.

No what I am telling you is equivalent to a sixth grader trying to explain sex to a fourth grader. It isn't rocket science, but it is evolution.

Here is a secret.....practice, practice, practice. Go with a female friend and have her pick out a couple outfits to wear. Not your mother, a female your age. Wear that outfit and go out and meet women and ask them out. I had a friend in college who was an ugly little bald guy. Basically a scrawny George Costanza. The man was a chick magnet. I watched him walk up to a girl and say, "can i have fries with that shake." and she went out with him after that corny line. Want to know his secret. He dressed well and he held himself well and he was confident in what he was doing. That's all otherwise he was an ugly little guy. I should have learned right then what the secret was but it still took several years. He had practiced this kind of thing on literally hundreds of women and he got really good at it. So the first few say no but that should not stop you. Hell go ask out women you don;t have a chance with super hot women then you wont be dejected when they say no. Once you practice on them and get some confidence you can do it try somebody you actually want to be with.

That's it that's how it works. Just go do it.

I pretty miuch agree. I've hardly ever conformed to any of that pretending to be confident stuff, mostly because I'd probably be lousy at it, but also because it would be like voting for Thatcher or something, it just feels dirty and cheap. But I've not been all that short of partners. And whether it makes any difference or not, I can't seem to avoid listening to them and trying to be at least reasonably nice.

Most guys who think they're "nice guys" and complain about not getting women... are not quite so nice from a female perspective.

gideon must be a 40 plus year old man who watched that guy say that to a woman back in 1989. you know before the public internet. and when seinfeld was just beginning its long run.

i guess to be more hip these days, perhaps this one will work "Do you like Subway? How about my foot long?", yeah, i didnt think so, but hell since the george constanza's of the world are so fly with the fries with that shake thing. surely you cant be dismissing the subway comment. it so hip it makes me want to break a leg and beat myself over the head with it.

or hell what about this one "Is your name Gillette? ...because you're the best a man can get.".
or even You're like a Pringles. Once I pop you, I can't stop you!
and not to forget....If I flip this coin, what are the chances of me getting head tonight?

ftw. as always, right?

The point of that story was that a confident person could get the girl even with a stupid line. I guess it takes some brains to figure that out rather than make some snide comments like an unmitigated ass.