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01 Apr 2011, 10:25 am

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2 problems:

1. Very few ideas are completely correct...the converse also has truth in it. Spreading personal beliefs on an industrial scale is morally dodgy.

2. To transmit a truth to another person, even if you can find a truth, is often a very personal thing, requiring different approaches for different types of people.....one man's buzz word is another man's anathema. There is no universal soundbite, so you'd need a whole box of them.

But if you must have a "live for today" mantra, I guess "now is the happiest time of your life" is as good as any. It's not mine, but it sums it up so well for me that I feel no need to re-invent the wheel.


Ah, but if one were to speak from the heart, one would find words would turn into phrases and one phrase is appropriately heard at what ever level the listener is able to hear. It is the development of the phrases in which new things are inspired.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying there. I get the "if you speak from the heart" bit, but after that I can't make sense of it.



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01 Apr 2011, 10:47 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Babs01 wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
2 problems:

1. Very few ideas are completely correct...the converse also has truth in it. Spreading personal beliefs on an industrial scale is morally dodgy.

2. To transmit a truth to another person, even if you can find a truth, is often a very personal thing, requiring different approaches for different types of people.....one man's buzz word is another man's anathema. There is no universal soundbite, so you'd need a whole box of them.

But if you must have a "live for today" mantra, I guess "now is the happiest time of your life" is as good as any. It's not mine, but it sums it up so well for me that I feel no need to re-invent the wheel.


Ah, but if one were to speak from the heart, one would find words would turn into phrases and one phrase is appropriately heard at what ever level the listener is able to hear. It is the development of the phrases in which new things are inspired.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying there. I get the "if you speak from the heart" bit, but after that I can't make sense of it.



You know how if 2 people read the same passage, that more then one meaning comes from it. The author too may have had a third meaning. It is from our perception that we are able to understand. Because we don't all perceive things the same way, we are not always capable to come to the same conclusions after taking something in/ Does that make sense :? ?



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01 Apr 2011, 10:56 am

Babs01 wrote:
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Ah, but if one were to speak from the heart, one would find words would turn into phrases and one phrase is appropriately heard at what ever level the listener is able to hear. It is the development of the phrases in which new things are inspired.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying there. I get the "if you speak from the heart" bit, but after that I can't make sense of it.


You know how if 2 people read the same passage, that more then one meaning comes from it. The author too may have had a third meaning. It is from our perception that we are able to understand. Because we don't all perceive things the same way, we are not always capable to come to the same conclusions after taking something in/ Does that make sense :? ?

Yes that makes sense - so how does that contradict what I said before?



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01 Apr 2011, 11:08 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
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Ah, but if one were to speak from the heart, one would find words would turn into phrases and one phrase is appropriately heard at what ever level the listener is able to hear. It is the development of the phrases in which new things are inspired.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying there. I get the "if you speak from the heart" bit, but after that I can't make sense of it.


You know how if 2 people read the same passage, that more then one meaning comes from it. The author too may have had a third meaning. It is from our perception that we are able to understand. Because we don't all perceive things the same way, we are not always capable to come to the same conclusions after taking something in/ Does that make sense :? ?

Yes that makes sense - so how does that contradict what I said before?


You don't 'need a whole box of them'. Just something simple that means something to you personally, shared with love, can be an equivalent to a whole box.



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01 Apr 2011, 11:50 am

Think upside down, inside out and backwards.

A straight line may be the shortest distance between points but it is also the most trivial and uninteresting path.

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01 Apr 2011, 11:57 am

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Think upside down, inside out and backwards.

A straight line may be the shortest distance between points but it is also the most trivial and uninteresting path.

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Unless it is connected by shortening it's length by some cosmic way thereby shrinking it's distance to '0'. Now that would definitely be cool!



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01 Apr 2011, 1:13 pm

ruveyn wrote:
A straight line may be the shortest distance between points but it is also the most trivial and uninteresting path.

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I like this one


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01 Apr 2011, 1:47 pm

I don't know... I think this sort of thing is only wise or important for some people (including people like me), not for everyone. But I try to let my intellect act solely as a life support system for my instincts. Those instincts are my strong point, and by far they see truer than anything my mind can juggle around. So mostly... I try to get out of their way and let them work. That's becoming increasingly important the older I get, and the more in situations I end up that could make a difference in some part of the world, large or small. If I try to do it by intellect I'll fail, if I even try to reason out what I need to do I'll just confuse myself, but if I allow my instincts to hone themselves and stay sharp and tell me to do what I need to do, then that's everything. As in, everything important I could ever do, whether it affects a tiny part of the world or a large one (including in ways where I'd have no idea how I would affect things, butterflies and so forth), has happened because I was going by my instincts rather than my intellect.

This of course would be different for someone whose intellect outstrips their instincts. But for me, instinct and sensing is everything, and I'm seeing that more and more the older I get, because my ability to intellectualize even at its best never matches it. I know there are many other autistic people like me in this regard (regardless of their apparent intellect), as well as many who are nothing like me at all. And I'd only think this advice useful for people like me (whether autistic or not), and people who are capable of discerning instinct from wishful thinking for that matter. But there are plenty of people unlike me and I don't know whether this would be useful for them or not.


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01 Apr 2011, 2:43 pm

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I don't know... I think this sort of thing is only wise or important for some people (including people like me), not for everyone. But I try to let my intellect act solely as a life support system for my instincts. Those instincts are my strong point, and by far they see truer than anything my mind can juggle around. So mostly... I try to get out of their way and let them work. That's becoming increasingly important the older I get, and the more in situations I end up that could make a difference in some part of the world, large or small. If I try to do it by intellect I'll fail, if I even try to reason out what I need to do I'll just confuse myself, but if I allow my instincts to hone themselves and stay sharp and tell me to do what I need to do, then that's everything. As in, everything important I could ever do, whether it affects a tiny part of the world or a large one (including in ways where I'd have no idea how I would affect things, butterflies and so forth), has happened because I was going by my instincts rather than my intellect.

This of course would be different for someone whose intellect outstrips their instincts. But for me, instinct and sensing is everything, and I'm seeing that more and more the older I get, because my ability to intellectualize even at its best never matches it. I know there are many other autistic people like me in this regard (regardless of their apparent intellect), as well as many who are nothing like me at all. And I'd only think this advice useful for people like me (whether autistic or not), and people who are capable of discerning instinct from wishful thinking for that matter. But there are plenty of people unlike me and I don't know whether this would be useful for them or not.


I believe you're 'way' is my 'way' too. I used to, and sometimes still do, walk in a store or just drive following an invisible cord just to see where it would lead me. It's funny. I tried for at least 2 decades to seriously figure 'me' out. It wasn't until I resided to the fact that I can live in this world with people, but not 'with' them if you get my meaning. I tried very hard and then just chose to let go and float away in my head. It took one week for me to discover the word 'asperger'. It took 2 more weeks to wait for an appointment to be assessed. I don't have aspergers. I'm just plain and simple autistic. Nothing else. So far I've known officially (because I'm not a doctor and therefore must not be smart enough to self diagnose...says the little voice in my head/not my heart) for a total of 11 days. Had a bit of a melt down yesterday, but I'm good today. I have been looking for 'like' minds for years and give up. Once I give up I find a whole bunch. And you are just icing on the cake!

I believe your wisdom is good for all. If everyone had the courage to follow their instinct and be able to discern the difference between that and intellect, as you said, this world would be a much improved place to live in! Alas, it all starts with one, and so it has begun. Personally, I think it's picking up momentum as of late!