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Can you (as a person) hear dog whistles?
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13 Oct 2020, 10:04 am

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Most people think they hear dog whistles when what they are really hearing is the rush of air through the whistle.  When sounds at frequencies above 20 kHz are generated by electronic devices, most people take no notice.  A very few feel some kind of 'pressure' on their ears, but no one can actually hear these frequencies.  The human ear is simply not structured to detect them.
I can without doubt hear the whistles themselves. When I worked for the railway every few years I had to have a full medical ad they said I had a very wide hearing range. They could also tell I had perforated my eardrum when young.
A "very wide hearing range" is rather vague, being dependent on both frequency and intensity.  What, exactly, is the range of frequencies you can allegedly hear at a sound-pressure level of -10 dB?
I do not know what the range was...
That settles it, then.


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13 Oct 2020, 10:08 am

Fnord wrote:
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Most people think they hear dog whistles when what they are really hearing is the rush of air through the whistle.  When sounds at frequencies above 20 kHz are generated by electronic devices, most people take no notice.  A very few feel some kind of 'pressure' on their ears, but no one can actually hear these frequencies.  The human ear is simply not structured to detect them.
I can without doubt hear the whistles themselves. When I worked for the railway every few years I had to have a full medical ad they said I had a very wide hearing range. They could also tell I had perforated my eardrum when young.
A "very wide hearing range" is rather vague, being dependent on both frequency and intensity.  What, exactly, is the range of frequencies you can allegedly hear at a sound-pressure level of -10 dB?
I do not know what the range was...
That settles it, then.

Neither do I know the frequency of the dog whistles. All I know was I was being told off for "Pretending to hear it" by a man who said humans can't hear them when I really heared it and it was loud.
I used to have to blow an ordinary whistle as part of my job on the railway and that is a mediumish frequency... I did get my ear drums vibrate but it was the loudness rather then the frequency. Quite often get vibrating eardrums at loudish noises that others seem to be ok with.

Just recently I have been partly in a world of my own due to ear wax blocking ears... So I am using this stuff. Officially I am supposed to see a doctor before using it but I did not as I don't like phoning due to the automated message system.



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13 Oct 2020, 10:12 am

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Sometimes maybe??? I actually don't have very good hearing.


Oh dear... I currently have stuff to clear wax from my ear. Will try the other one after this one.

Your eyes in your pic look unusual. Are they contact lenzes?

It's not really me, haha :lol: It's a character from a horror movie. The character has my first name. It looks cool, so I used it as my avatar.


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13 Oct 2020, 12:13 pm

The frequency of most dog whistles is within the range of 23 to 54 kHz, while some are listed as being around 5 kHz.  Human hearing peaks out at just below 20 kHz, and this decreases in frequency with age.  Some people may be able to hear higher notes, but this would be very rare.


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13 Oct 2020, 2:00 pm

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Sometimes maybe??? I actually don't have very good hearing.


Oh dear... I currently have stuff to clear wax from my ear. Will try the other one after this one.

Your eyes in your pic look unusual. Are they contact lenzes?

It's not really me, haha :lol: It's a character from a horror movie. The character has my first name. It looks cool, so I used it as my avatar.


Aspie is your first name? Nice.



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13 Oct 2020, 2:03 pm

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The frequency of most dog whistles is within the range of 23 to 54 kHz, while some are listed as being around 5 kHz.  Human hearing peaks out at just below 20 kHz, and this decreases in frequency with age.  Some people may be able to hear higher notes, but this would be very rare.


They said I was unusual.
The guy who did the colour blind test when I first joined the railway was in dissbelief because I answered every page of his little book correctly and he said that no one had ever done that in his 45 year career (He was close to retirement).



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13 Oct 2020, 3:40 pm

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I thought this was a political thing lol.

Yeah I can hear literal dog whistles.

They're also really loud and annoying to me.


What is the difference between a literal dog whistle and a normal dog whistle?


In politics a "dog whistle" (aka "saying political code words") means laying things between the lines that you cant say in public because they would offend, but that the folks whose votes you are courting will hear and respond to.



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13 Oct 2020, 3:47 pm

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In politics, a "dog whistle" is a metaphor for something or a statement which gets people upset/angry.

If Trump, say, invites protesters into polling places during voting, that would be a "dog whistle" for someone who believes in honest and free elections.


You know lots of things.

How do I know if the literal dog whistle and the normal dog whistle is the thing you say it is? Sorry. I am confused as I can't think what literal means at the moment. Is it actual? But why not just say dog whistle?

Sorry. Confused!


Ah. Re-read and it makes sense.


"Literal" means taking the word at the word. As opposed to "figurative". If you tell us today that "last week so and so said something, and I died laughing" thats using "die" figuratively. But if your next of kin came on to WP to tell us that "Mountain Goat" is having a funeral because he died. Thats using "die" literally.



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13 Oct 2020, 3:59 pm

As Fnord said human hearing is supposed to range from 20 vibrations a second, to 20 thousand a second. Humans are just flat out NOT supposed to be able to hear into the 23 to 50 range that dog whistles do, and that dogs can hear.

A professor in a college course I took played a series of electronic tones (starting from 20 k and then progressively going down). I couldnt hear anything until he got down to maybe 16 thousand (some embarrassingly low number, but I was older than most of the class), but even most of the youngsters couldnt hear any tone below like 17 or 18k.

Its too bad that these folks testing you didnt document what the frequencies were that you could hear.

And you claim that you can hear bats too? Thats also not supposed to be possible for humans.

Maybe you're a freak of nature. But it would be kinda cool if you someone could just test you (not for health or for hiring, but just to investigate) to see if you can indeed hear into these higher ranges. Playing you electronic tones would be good because you wouldnt get fooled by other sounds like air rushing through a whistle.



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13 Oct 2020, 4:35 pm

At the moment I have one of my ears blocked and using stuff to clear it.



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13 Oct 2020, 7:44 pm

I used to be able to hear them when I was younger. Found out I could because a neighbor of mine would use one for her dog and it drove me nuts. I couldn't figure out what the noise was or where it was coming from for awhile. Finally saw her outside one day using it, and the mystery was solved. I dont know when I stopped hearing them. As a teen someone had one and didn't believe I could hear it, I could. Then I tried again in my twenties and I couldn't hear it then, or anytime after that.



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13 Oct 2020, 8:35 pm

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As Fnord said human hearing is supposed to range from 20 vibrations a second, to 20 thousand a second. Humans are just flat out NOT supposed to be able to hear into the 23 to 50 range that dog whistles do, and that dogs can hear. A professor in a college course I took played a series of electronic tones (starting from 20 k and then progressively going down). I couldnt hear anything until he got down to maybe 16 thousand (some embarrassingly low number, but I was older than most of the class), but even most of the youngsters couldnt hear any tone below like 17 or 18k. Its too bad that these folks testing you didnt document what the frequencies were that you could hear. And you claim that you can hear bats too? Thats also not supposed to be possible for humans. Maybe you're a freak of nature. But it would be kinda cool if you someone could just test you (not for health or for hiring, but just to investigate) to see if you can indeed hear into these higher ranges. Playing you electronic tones would be good because you wouldnt get fooled by other sounds like air rushing through a whistle.

russian experiments in the last century showed that a few individuals could hear ultrasonic frequencies [up to 100k cycles per second] if the transducer was pressed against the skull near the ear. interestingly, they said asthmatic children were the majority of these people. my own hearing, as a child, was [at least until my dad partially deafened me as a child by firing a 30:06 rifle a few feet from my ears, leaving ringing which rings even today] acute. i could hear insects walking - "tapapapapapapapapapapa...." each "tapa" or foot step was accompanied by a "sticky" sound.



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14 Oct 2020, 12:06 am

I know I cannot hear doggy whistles because it is beyond the normal hearing range. However I can hear boxed TV sets TVs and I used to hear them all the time and I was shocked that lot of people couldn't hear them, I hear the sound I hear is at the edge of the normal hearing range so that would explain why half of the population can't seem to hear it.

I can hear our flat big screen TV in our living room but the sound isn't as loud and it turns itself off when there is no activity.

Political dog whistles are just sentences and phrases politicians use that target a certain group of people and the majority won't notice it because it won't affect them.

Someone mentioned about bats, my husband says he can hear them. Am I going to hear next how humans aren't supposed to hear fluorescent lights? I also recall reading somewhere that infants can hear bats too because they have higher frequency hearing range. That is why teens can hear the mosquito tone and adults can't because as we get older, our hearing range drops so we hear less sound frequencies. But people on the spectrum are known for having better hearing so they may hear sounds most people will not notice like they may hear conversations across the room, may hear other things most people wouldn't be able to hear.


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14 Oct 2020, 12:31 am

the horizontal scan whistle [15,754 cycles per second :nerdy: ] from old CRTs used to drill through my cranium like, well, a drill. been a while since i heard one of them.



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14 Oct 2020, 1:13 am

Can you hear dog whistles?

Yes,
I can "hear" political "dog-whistling". 8)



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14 Oct 2020, 2:28 am

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I know I cannot hear doggy whistles because it is beyond the normal hearing range. However I can hear boxed TV sets TVs and I used to hear them all the time and I was shocked that lot of people couldn't hear them, I hear the sound I hear is at the edge of the normal hearing range so that would explain why half of the population can't seem to hear it.

I can hear our flat big screen TV in our living room but the sound isn't as loud and it turns itself off when there is no activity.

Political dog whistles are just sentences and phrases politicians use that target a certain group of people and the majority won't notice it because it won't affect them.

Someone mentioned about bats, my husband says he can hear them. Am I going to hear next how humans aren't supposed to hear fluorescent lights? I also recall reading somewhere that infants can hear bats too because they have higher frequency hearing range. That is why teens can hear the mosquito tone and adults can't because as we get older, our hearing range drops so we hear less sound frequencies. But people on the spectrum are known for having better hearing so they may hear sounds most people will not notice like they may hear conversations across the room, may hear other things most people wouldn't be able to hear.


What do you mean by saying you "can hear TV sets"?

Obviously you dont mean hearing the programming coming through the set. So WTF are you talking about? Do you mean you hear a hum or something, even when you mute the set, or turn it off?