How dare they discriminate against Aspergers?

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19 May 2011, 5:04 am

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Unfortunately, I'd suggest that anyone who can remotely do any kind of job, even if it results in a nervous breakdown/getting sicker, do it. At least when you end up in a psych ward or in intensive care, they can't say that you're "faking it" to work the system.

I actually basically tried that and it was still bad. I ended up unable to work at all (physically or cognitively), and only had a diagnosis of CFS, which by itself is a diagnosis of "no-one-takes-this-seriously syndrome." Among other things, I passed out in the parking lot at work twice, once ending up in the ER. But they called it 'dehydration' (after accusing me of being on drugs), so it wasn't any help.

Luckily, I still had $2000 in the bank, which I spent on tests which I knew would be taken seriously, and fortunately that was enough. (And I had to arrange all of it myself because even my doctors were not taking me seriously (until those test results came back).) If I hadn't had that money, I would've been screwed.

But anyway, yeah: the system sucks.

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This society doesn't give a sh*t about its people and they think anyone who has a disability is a waste on resources. If they could, they would probably euthanize anyone whom they think just might cost them money. The only reason they don't is that it's become one of those "socially unacceptable" things since we beat the Nazis.

Yeah, but euthanizing people costs money and why waste money on worthless, disabled trash? Soylent Green or compost -- that's the moral way to deal with those slackers. Maybe they could fight each other to the death in a cage or something.

(Because they all are slackers, you know. If G-d had wanted them not to be punished & made into compost, then he wouldn't have made them ill and poor in the first place!)

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Anyone who applies for assistance might need to lie a little or exaggerate. People who really need help from government entities have always done it as a means of self preservation. They know they can't make it without assistance and it's better to lie than to end up homeless or hungry. Besides, the system is designed specifically to hinder people who need help the most and does NOT play fair.

In a perfect world there would never be a need for that, but this is far (far, far, far) from a perfect world. I have a hard time judging someone facing being homeless while ill or g-d knows what circumstance, and doing what they need to do to survive.

(OTOH, the people on Wall Street, who legally steal so much money, can rot in hell for all I care.)

And anyone who thinks "legal" and "illegal" is the same as "moral" and "immoral" needs to examine the workings of the world more closely.

I couldn't agree with you more.

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19 May 2011, 5:05 am

cyberscan wrote:

It sounds like you live in the Police States of America. I have "full blown autism," and I was rejected as well. I also have a lawyer to fight for me as well.

Going by what the OP said they are talking about the system in Australia which is called Centrelink.

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19 May 2011, 5:45 am

murasaki_ahiru wrote:

cyberscan wrote:

It sounds like you live in the Police States of America. I have "full blown autism," and I was rejected as well. I also have a lawyer to fight for me as well.

Going by what the OP said they are talking about the system in Australia which is called Centrelink.

It does, however, sound a lot like the system in the Police States of America. Here we are taxed and regulated into oblivion like other socialist countries but we receive none of the benefits from these taxes. in the Police States of America, if one gets sick or becomes disabled and is no longer able to work, hr or she is screwed if there is no family support. However, if in spite of everything, one is able through hard work and luck to pull themselves out, the government is the first one to come wanting a cut. In the P.S.A. there is a system of taxation and regulation with no representation.

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19 May 2011, 6:36 am

Most employers are stuck in the Dark Ages and do not want to employ anyone with disabilities/mental impairments. Employers discriminate against people with Aspergers and any other mental impairment/disability. It will cost us more and it will be more trouble than what it is worth. Employers regard people with disabilities as idiots and are not the type of people they want to employ.

Government, medical professionals, most people and employers are discriminatory or condescending towards Aspergers. Widespread racism and prejudice against Aspergers exists within society.

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19 May 2011, 7:35 am

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Did you know that 99 percent of people who apply for disability are rejected?? The system is set up to reject everyone who comes in the door becides those who are practicly totally immoble or have MR. even if you apeal, 99 percent of those who appeal are rejected, and it is not until a lawyer is involved that the stastistics change. 89 percent of those who take it to court actually win.

so save the hassile, just get a lawyer, but make sure that he/she only gets paid if you get benifits. I hear they are talking about doing away with back payments. Normally you get all your payments from the time you applied till when you are approved in one lump sum, well due to budget battles they are talking about doing away with that which will make paying for a lawyer more expensive. So you need to get a lawyer and get it over with before this hits Obama's desk.

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This says it all.

1. Welfare/disability is grossly abused in the USA. A lot of people draw who are capable of working, but they don't want to. If you want to defraud the system out of benefits, it's not hard to do, and if you circulate with the "right people" you can have many mentors showing you how to do it. As a result, there are significant barriers to getting approved for aid, and it's not hard to loose it. I know people who could go on disability who do not because they don't want to live life looking over their shoulder for someone spying on them...trying to take an ordinary daily activity and turning it into a case for why they should be working.

2. The harsh reality is that even with "social anxiety" most people can still work...the problem is the lack of work environments that are suitable for their disability or the outright discrimination in hiring of people with such issues. You can sustain yourself...you're willing to work, but there are no places that will put you to work.

These issues make it hard for those who are forced to live on public assistance to get it...especially if they are relatively honest people.

The only way to get SSI or other benefits is to have a lawyer working for you...and fully expect to be rejected the first time or two.

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19 May 2011, 8:13 am

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Despite severe social anxiety , depression and Aspergers: I was recently rejected the disabled pension. The government discriminates against Aspergers and does not even believe it even exists.

My claim was denied because I was not disabled enough and they believe I can work 15 hours a week within the next two years(main criteria of determining eligibility for disabled pension). Screw the government they can go to Hell.

Alcoholics and junkies get disabled pensions easier than people with Aspergers. It is a disgrace how the welfare system operates. Stuck with the lower welfare payment and forced to look for work or studyon the unemployment benefits.

Has anyone been rejected a disability claim from the government?

Most people who file for disability are rejected, some who aren't dealing with anxiety and Autism but LIFE THREATENING illnesses,
so you can come off your persecution complex.

Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity.

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19 May 2011, 8:34 am

And....just on topic....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-th ... vestigate/

A man who CHOOSES to live like an over sized baby and both he and his "caretaker" receive disability benefits even though both clearly are capable of working.

People like this hurt everyone who legitimately needs the help.

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19 May 2011, 8:57 am

zer0netgain wrote:

Lazy and does not want to work. He has.... Peter Pan Syndrome or Adult Baby Syndrome.

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19 May 2011, 9:20 am

Dark_Lord_2008 wrote:

zer0netgain wrote:

Lazy and does not want to work. He has.... Peter Pan Syndrome or Adult Baby Syndrome.

Off topic, but Peter Pan Syndrome is the perfect word to describe a few idiots I know. They have no work ethic, their whole life is one long blur of monitor screen light, and use all their brain capacity to watch and discuss anime and play video games. From what I see it's a classic case of arrested development. To be honest, I've never come right out and asked why they're on SSI. It's none of my business, but when it comes to making it to conventions, cosplay, and scrounging up money for games, they're really ingenious. I try to be compassionate toward everybody, and give them the benefit of the doubt, but these guys are being selectively stupid. They're not grown up, and probably never will grow up, because they don't WANT to grow up.

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19 May 2011, 10:33 am

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It's none of my business, but when it comes to making it to conventions, cosplay, and scrounging up money for games, they're really ingenious.

Reminds me of the opening monologue on Seinfeld back when George did anything possible to NOT get a job.

This guy works harder to NOT have a job than most of us work at having a job.

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19 May 2011, 11:52 am

ValentineWiggin wrote:

Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity.

But people who have disabling conditions are discriminated against.

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19 May 2011, 12:08 pm

Verdandi wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity.

But people who have disabling conditions are discriminated against.

...and people with asperger's and autism especially.

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19 May 2011, 12:13 pm

I don't think there's any point to discussing welfare fraud as a social force without studies to back it up. So far, extensive welfare fraud has not been proven. Yes, there almost certainly is fraud and policy is defined almost entirely by the spectre of fraud, but what happens is a few extreme cases are used to define the middle.

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19 May 2011, 12:19 pm

Extensive welfare fraud is a bogeyman the Right wingers use in their social class warfare propaganda. We are poor rich and we need to starve the poor undeserving welfare recipients. Tabloid news shows will put out a Welfare fraud story in a tabloid story just to boost ratings and to anger people out there. That is not right we must crackdown on the welfare cheats.who steal our taxes that we paid out of our own pocket

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19 May 2011, 1:15 pm

Bloodheart wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

Oh, and NO ONE. ANYWHERE. Discriminates against ASPERGERS. Or diabetes. Or Ulcerative Colitis.
Discrimination against a malady or disorder is an absurdity.

But people who have disabling conditions are discriminated against.

...and people with asperger's and autism especially.

Oh, yeah. I just found this blog post:

http://quixoticautistic.blogspot.com/20 ... e-off.html

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19 May 2011, 1:45 pm

You know, the longer I'm 'out' as an aspie the more people I keep coming across who are aspie or autistic, it's a constant source of frustration that we are treat this way, that there is generally a great deal of ignorance and in turn prejudice towards us. We may still be a minority, but there are enough of us that I REALLY just don't understand why it still goes on.

It actually shocked me - and I mean really shocked me - when looking for support from other 'disabled' people regarding benefits, there isn't the community or support I thought there would be, little in the way of helping each other with advice or activism. There's so many of us being screwed over, but no one is standing up - not us (AS/ASD, disabled people in general) or our family/friends/carers.

Sorry. Getting a little off-topic and babbling.

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