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11 Jun 2011, 2:05 pm

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People also say that about other humans like "Do you mind?" "Would you mind turning that off?"

I always picture a brain. I can't make a literal image in my head from the words.

Making the dog mind, I picture a dog brain. Or how about sitting down at the table and making a dog's brain out of clay. There is your literal image of the phrase. :P


The meaning of 'mind' in 'Do you mind?' is different from the meaning in 'making the dog mind'. In 'Do you mind?', 'mind' means something like 'be annoyed', while in 'making the dog mind', it means something like 'pay attention'.


I think League_Girl maybe thought people were unfamiliar with mind as a verb or even somehow the issue was that it was used in conjunction with dog. I'm quite happy with the use of mind but have never in four decades seen it applied in quite that way. It feels as if the sentence has been clipped or truncated, and is missing vital information, hence the confusion.

Mind the step.
Mind your way.
Mind your own business.
Will you please mind what I say.
I really don't mind.

All those uses are quite clear, but "making the dog mind...." - Mind what? Just like "making the man mind" would be equally strange to me, whereas "making the man mind out of the way" is ok.



Now it seems like a double standard. Why are you okay with the other sentences but not with "Making your dog mind?"


Because the order in English is usually subject, verb, object. The use of 'mind' here is clearly a verb.



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11 Jun 2011, 5:03 pm

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Trying to get me to make the dog mind = Trying to teach me how to make the dog obey me. The dog won't obey me.


For some reason my brain went straight to "Making the dog mind" as some kind of activity that involves emulating or creating a dog's mind.

Then I realized this was nonsense, and looked again.


thats EXCATLY what i was thinking.... 8O


Lol. Despite getting the "MollyTroubleTail" original example and the OP's literal example pretty quickly (Within 1-2 seconds, I'd guess), I didn't comprehend this one quickly and disregarded it as unimportant. I didn't think she was talking about constructing a dog mind, haha, although it flittered across my mind for half a second.

So, my latest "misunderstanding" (That I'm aware of) was when I was up at my professor's office to start the demonstration of my software project, and another team member was there, and he asked me... "So, where do you go?", and since I saw his computer that I thought I could use for the demo and he was referring to me specifically and not to "we", I replied "Well, I have to go to my email address to download two files for the demonstration and I have to go to the SVN repository to download the software project", and then he clarified, "No, that's not what I meant, I mean where do we physically have to go for the demonstration?" and then I realized his computer was off-limits and I directed the demo to the lab downstairs. I'm not sure if that's an "Aspie" literal moment or if that's just an everyday misunderstanding that plagues NTs who lack common sense. :lol:



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12 Jun 2011, 7:23 am

My recent literal interpration happened when I was discussing getting married with my fiancee and why she was anxious about the idea of getting married. She said that because of old bullying traumas she was afraid that she would stumble and everyone would laugh at her. So I said that thats a really stupid reason not to get married and that we could just get married at the magistrate with a handfull of relatives or just plain get her a shorter dress so that she would not stumble so easily. She was a bit confused at my solutions because she had beed really talking about a different type of stumbling, like what if we get divorsed and such, boy was I embarassed once again :D



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12 Jun 2011, 9:58 am

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Last night I'm reading a book and I come across this sentence:

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The park itself was shaped like a big triangle, with a ball diamond in one corner, basketball and tennis courts in another, and benches and kiddie play equipment in the third.


Halfway through the sentence, my mind grinds to a halt. What's a ball diamond? I picture in my head a diamond ball of some sort, like a disco ball made of diamonds. It's about ten full seconds of thinking before I figure it out.

Any other examples to share?


Too numerous to write down. I have been plagued with literal mindedness since I learned how to talk.

At times it has gotten me into awkward situations.

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12 Jun 2011, 2:29 pm

New example. Last night I'm watching "Harvie Krumpet" (on the "Mary and Max" DVD) and Harvie's mother is described by the narrator as a "weary woman with lead in her veins from working in a mine." I think to myself, how can you have lead in your veins? I remember something similar happening in the past, when I heard someone describe another person as having "piss and vinegar running through his veins." My immediate thought was, how the hell did that get in there?



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12 Jun 2011, 10:25 pm

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I just thought of something, when I keep seeing the thread title, I keep thinking the OP was literal at work because he took something literal there.

But he actually means his literal mind is working. Nothing to do with him being at work with his literal mind.


Same here! : D

One that got me recently was actually in Rudy Simone's book Aspergirls. Oh, the irony. She said something about "breadwinners" in the family and I sat there for a couple of seconds wondering what kind of crazy part of the world she lived in where bread-winning contests were a major part of daily life. @_@

But once people explain to me what something like that means I don't have an issue in understanding it anymore. I still always picture the literal meaning of whatever I come across like somebody said earlier, but I can remember the meanings of stuff like that well enough. And I kind of feel like NT's are like that too. I mean, how does anyone know what something like "breadwinners" means without having it explained? So maybe I really don't have a figurative language problem.



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12 Jun 2011, 11:34 pm

I have noticed NTs take things literal too. Like the time at Babycenter someone made a thread about this babyshower invitation she got and it said in it "Don't be cheap, dig in something deep for something special" and the theme was baby chicks and it had chicks in the sentence. It was meant to be a cute joke, word play but the woman was shocked by it and so was everyone else in the thread. I just sat there and thought it was a joke and all those women were stupid. I doubt they all had autism. It was a joke because the OP kept updating.

Another time someone made a post about her lazy sister and she said about how she wish she just beat her kids. A few women took that literal. I knew she meant like spank or discipline and she was using irony there.

For some reason I am not always literal and maybe it's because that's how I talk and think. I am funny that way. But I read online that it's never okay to joke about child abuse. I guess it's the same as joking about shooting up a school or killing or doing terrorism. People take those things seriously.



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12 Jun 2011, 11:40 pm

mori_pastel wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
I just thought of something, when I keep seeing the thread title, I keep thinking the OP was literal at work because he took something literal there.

But he actually means his literal mind is working. Nothing to do with him being at work with his literal mind.


Same here! : D


I do that with a lot of topic titles - not just here but on any forum.

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One that got me recently was actually in Rudy Simone's book Aspergirls. Oh, the irony. She said something about "breadwinners" in the family and I sat there for a couple of seconds wondering what kind of crazy part of the world she lived in where bread-winning contests were a major part of daily life. @_@

But once people explain to me what something like that means I don't have an issue in understanding it anymore. I still always picture the literal meaning of whatever I come across like somebody said earlier, but I can remember the meanings of stuff like that well enough. And I kind of feel like NT's are like that too. I mean, how does anyone know what something like "breadwinners" means without having it explained? So maybe I really don't have a figurative language problem.


Yeah. I remember learning a lot of these things. I remember the first time I heard "breadwinners" and "bringing home the bacon."

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I have noticed NTs take things literal too.


NTs used to frequently take me literally when I was being sardonic, ironic, or sarcastic. Since I tend to do all of these deadpan without any cues that I am doing these things, it's not surprising.

As with everything, the difference is a matter of scope. NTs don't take as many things as literally as we do. I've seen NTs take things literally occasionally but more often they find meanings between the lines. I take things literally all the time, and have to stop and consider whether what I see is all that's there, and what might be there if there's more - and I am not very good at this.



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13 Jun 2011, 4:46 pm

Yet another example. Today I'm in a store at the checkout aisle and see a tabloid magazine about some celebrity. The headline: "STABBED IN THE HEART!" I assumed that the woman pictured had been murdered this way. Apparently not, just a break-up with a boyfriend.



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13 Jun 2011, 5:11 pm

LOL, I pictured the person being stabbed in the heart, literally.



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13 Jun 2011, 5:20 pm

At a work meeting at the machine shop I worked at we were getting yelled at for wasting time. It sucked because I was used as an example of how to use your time better so everyone was coughing the word "brown-noser". :oops: Then the boss set in our biggest time waster who would spend 20 minutes in the toilet. We would hear him talking on his phone or playing video games on his phone. So the boss told him he spends as much time in the toilet as everyone else uses to eat lunch in the break room. For some reason I got it into my head he was eating his lunch in the toilet. So I said something about him eating in the toilet. Everyone laughed like I was telling a joke. The boss then looked at me and said this was not a time for jokes. I really thought he was getting bitched at for eating while on the toilet. :roll: :oops:


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