Communication -- Telepathy -- or Vibrational Frequency?

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Lol, a bit. I'm talking about my experience, and you're talking about pseudoscience. We're really apples and oranges aren't we? This conversation has all been so far a very interesting illustration of the difficulties of communication, especially in words. Different reference frames and all.

I have strange dreams about things sometimes before they enter my waking experience. Dream it before I live it. I had one about the end of the world, dead rising up from the ground, a couple days ago. Today everyone is posting on my Facebook about their 'Zombie Apocalypse' team and stuff.

Yawn I'm getting tired. Thanks for reply. Everyone's entitled to their belief. Still nice to dream. Maybe life is all a dream. Onwards, I row my boat.

I don't believe in telepathy or precognition or whatever, but I don't agree with fnord's experiment here. There are plenty of reasons I could think of that a precognitive could fail that test other than their precognition being a hoax. For example in the Charmed series, the precognitive sister can't control what she sees, and so would not be able to choose a particular thing.

My suggestion for testing psychic abilities is to first get a detailed account from the person of how their abilities work, then design a test for that specific pattern. For example the Charmed character could be tested by asking her to contact you immediately upon having a precognitive vision and describe the vision in detail, and then you check out whether the predicted stuff actually happens or not.

One possible explanation for the OP's account is the mutability of memory. A lot of studies show that people often remember events less accurately than they think they do, and sequential order is one of the most inaccurate parts of memory. I read a story once in which a bunch of children who were kidnapped (Chowchilla kidnapping) were asked about their memories of the kidnapping, and several kids remembered 'premonitions' of the kidnapping, such as nightmares about it, which their parents reported had actually occurred after the kidnapping instead of before. This sort of thing may be especially common in people with a certain cognitive style characterized by impairments in source memory - that is, knowing where you remember something from.

Ive spent the last couple of weeks reading articles on telepathy and just recently started looking up aspergers. I believe that I have aspergers. I first discovered what it was a few years back (I'm 22 btw) and have always had several signs pointing to it.

The telepathy thing I started researching because I began to actually notice my thoughts or intentions being understood by other people when I felt very strongly about something without ever physically communicating with them. So I will say that I do entirely believe telepathy is possible. I think Fnord's test would be either impossible or incredibly difficult for people nowadays to perform. I say people nowadays because I also believe that every human has the natural ability to communicate telepathically.

This ability is not the typical pseudoscience telepathy where I can read your mind from a millions miles away and know what is in some box. The ability comes from a sort of "mind-resonance" that was mentioned before. We know that the complex interactions in the brain create electric charge or run on electric charge or whatever ( I'm not entirely sure as I'm not a brain surgeon...). Basically though these charges create an active electromagnetic field(emf) around everyone's brains (which any physics noob should be able to understand). I say active emf because naturally there is a existing (inactive) emf around us at all times. Light waves, radio waves, microwaves, etc. all use the emf as a medium. Essentially there is this telepathic field around us at all times.

Now, some people may be better at using this ability, i.e. OP and his autistic friend. Some people may be worse, i.e. Fnord. However, I do believe it is an ability that can improved with practice (yes, seriously). I believe that OP and his friend, both being on the spectrum, have been using their ability their entire lives. They just don't understand it fully.

Peoples personalities (and essentially brains) have a sort of Alpha/Omega structure. Where, put simply, Alpha=+Aspergers and Omega=-Aspergers. So a high autistic score may mean 95 Alpha 5 Omega. Lower score may mean 65 Alpha 35 omega. An NT could be 50 Alpha 50 Omega or 15 Alpha 85 Omega. You get the point.

I think that this Alpha structure may be the driver of mental communication and the Omega structure the driver for physical/verbal communication. So, in a way people with autism are more inclined to use telepathy than others.

Now, the actually telepathy itself. Fnord, someone with strong telepathic abilities may be able to read your mind and determine what was inside of a box. If you knew what was in the box. Their chances would obviously be increased if you were trying to communicate the boxes contents to them because then there is a sort of two-way street of information (they don't have to 'extract' it). This is also made easier by being in some vicinity of each other. It would most likely be difficult for someone to find a person mentally at a distance from an unknown location. Especially the OP, considering this is something obviously so new to him (and me too though so don't ask me to tell you whats in your box).

The telepathy also doesn't work like you've probably seen in movies. Where I would literally speak to you in your own thoughts. I do believe there is some sort of slightly verbal communication through thoughts (maybe at a higher level of skill), but the simplest form is through emotions (which are much more complex than sad, glad, mad, etc.). Emotions delivered through thoughts describe specific feelings toward specific things.

Telepathy can be considered a connection to the spiritual world that is the infinite ocean of emf in the universe. This connection is recognized to be at its strongest during sleep while dreaming. You may have heard of people communicating through dreams or sharing dreams. This is what is could be like when communicating at a very high level of telepathic skill. Since it is something done in our dreams it suggests that humans have an inherent ability to communicate this way. It is believed telepathy was done by ancient humans as the original instinctual form of communication. This may even suggest communication either beyond the grave or beyond the limits of the universe.


I cant post links so I cant give references but if you can PM me somehow I gladly will.

I do know that some aspies have strong precognitive abilities, especially those who struggled with self-preservation against NT's who prefer rash punishments against those who differ from them.
Precognition is not "esp" or anything off the wall such as that - its an unconscious ability to make connections, prepare, and react based on past experiences and knowledge. This is done before thoughts can enter the conscious mind where a more "rational" explanation could be deduced.
It may be contrary to the oldschool medical "humans dont have instincts or precognition," and NT people might not - but some people have their lives dictated to a large degree by these things, and modern medicine - and science in general - is full of false preconceived notions.
Frankly, anyone who says such things dont exist is ignorantly arrogant, lack of concrete evidence is never proof of the lack of something - and denial is a powerful thing, especially in NT people.
Again, an area that needs further serious research, rather than idiots insisting they know better simply because they heard it from someone else, or havent experienced it themselves.

To the OP - the connection you and the autistic child have is not telepathy. Telepathy is conversation without speaking. However, the child has a level of trust thru some connection between you, and I would explore it further to find a better definition.

And Fnord, the box (if it truly exists) contains air, a slight amount of dust, and your disbelief in the paranormal.

thanks to everyone who has posted for the interesting variety of replies. i know opinions differ on the subject which is why i left a poll, sorta. toonces, what a long and thoughtful reply; thank you especially. 'infinite ocean of emf in the universe' <-- yes, and beyond.

On another thread I mentioned that some people have called me a "witch/warlock" in the past. I have had some things happen in my life that seem like telepathy/precognition.
The very night my girlfriend's mother died back in 1985, I felt EXACTLY what she felt. I even collapsed in tears, just completely lost it. ( I was over 250 miles away & not in communication with this person at the time. In my dorm room to be exact). My mom got my call on this, & found out what had happened. This is one, but not the only such event.
The truth is Homo sapiens only believ they know how the Universe works. We DO NOT know. Things are infinitely more strange than even the brightest mind could understand.
But in the case above, I believe you actually shared a genuine moment of simple empathy with this child. Something about you caused them to respond to you. Maybe you seemed less threatening than a family member. (Which can be actually terrifying even if they aren't abusive to someone with ASD.)

Sincerely,
Matt

I don't know about all this but there could be a link in a way i don't know. but..

2 kids with Autism in particular is my cusion's son and another I encountered when I was helping a Friends to move out and some of there friends came and one had a Son with Autism

The strangers kid I found out later from the mom that he would not let people pick him up at all, The mom was suprised that he would let me pick him up and wanted me to pick him up then I told the mom that I have HFA. This was in less then 1 hour

Then with my cusion's son has HFA and I seem to be the only one that get him to change focus quick the mom's boyfriend was suprised that i was able to get him to change focus like almost instant. The only thing that he will not change focus on is anything to do with Disney Cars.

a. There exists no empirical evidence to support any claim of any form of telepathic communication.

b. The absence of evidence, while not evidence of absence, is sufficient cause for reasonable doubt.

: : It is reasonable to doubt any and all claims of telepathic communication.

@Scandium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

I believe this explains far far more then anything stemming from something originally penned in a Sci-Fi novel.

I lifted the word "Synesthesia" From your vid, and was blown away by the reading on wikipedia. I have often felt there was a sub-system going on that most people just didn't get, and have never been able to articulate it well enough to get anyone else in my life to understand what Im talking about. I had never heard of Synesthesia until today, and it is such a complete *Possible* explanation for what Ive been feeling and trying to explain to people..... I say Possible still because at this date I feel I need to read more, but I wanted to go out on a limb for me and make this available to be read by you because this is something Ive just about given up on...... I would also have confined this to PM, but Im curious to see what others might think of it.......

@The OP:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/telepathy
Its been said to death here, but if you were talking, that is NOT telepathy. True Telepathy would require no vocal chords or Ears. I only say it again because I hadn't seen anyone just posting a definition for you, which is such an easy way of clearing up misconceptions of this nature.

That said, I agree with what many have said here, that you do have something special going with that boy, and that to not explore it further would be the height of prudishness. What you're sharing, I believe as others here have mentioned, is commonality, rather then "Telepathy". He recognizes something in you. It could be anything. The way you talk, the way you stand, the way you move around, or where you stand in relation to others, and whatever it is hes both recognizing it, AND more importantly, trusting you because of it. Not that he specifically has to have trust issues per se, but even with out a problem trusting people, commonality can inspire more trust IMHO then any other single definable feature currently known about in the index of Human Features (I have no idea if there is such an index currently available, I mean by this to say, any and all known parts, attributes, traits, or anything else you can imagine as being part of any human, singular or group...).

@Callista
I agree in part with what you say, and certainly admit that it could be as simple as you describe. But I do wonder if it is in some way not more complicated then what your typical NT interaction might involve. I would posit that, the average Aspie interaction is alot more information intensive then most NTs. Though this will quickly get into a discussion of rather:
A:Aspie/Aut's Lack something NT's don't
B: What Aspies/Auts are aware of, and of what degree they are aware of, this difference (Though this probably a forgone conclusion, empirically it'll be hard to define until we could nail down exactly what was different)
C:What your Average Aspie/Aut might do to countermand, or work around, this difference
D:And Finally, attempting to Discover and Define as many of these Coping/Work Around Strategies as possible.

Anyway, good stuff as always Callista.

Cheers
Aldran

Circular logig DOES not disprove ANYTHING. I know many cases of people knowing things they shouldn't. Maybe its not a thing for Labs.
OH, BTW. The appearence that everything is solid & real is in itself an illusion our minds create. We are just particles & empty space in reality! LOL

Matt

I don't believe in telepathy. However, in my experience, I've always been sought out by people whom many others would term, how shall I put it, "atypical". Random people will tell me their life stories, which seems to them a natural progression from a simple greeting, an apropos comment on the weather, or something of the like. Whether this is a matter of brainwave harmonics, I don't know, and refuse to speculate for scientific reasons. I just know that my empathetic intuition of what I should say seems to put people at ease, and gives them the idea that I'm a good listener (even when I sometimes am not listening).

It is an interesting thought, one that I've never fully realized until reading @wackydoodle's original post, that these people are not usually mainstream. In fact, to "normal" people, I tend to blend into the background. Very interesting.

matt62, good observation "circular logic does not disprove anything"

i agree. i think you could leave out the circular.

given that events are actually randomly distributed, no amount of empirical evidence can either disprove absolutely or cast significant doubt upon the likelihood of occurrence of any event.

whether events are randomly distributed in reality is however only a summation of a series of observations.

while it could be taken as axiomatic, that leads to problems with the relation of theory to experiment.

i suggest that the rate at which the evidence for the assertion { events in reality are randomly distributed } is accumulated increases at a rate beyond exponentially (factorially, it's combinatoric) faster than the rate at which the evidence casting doubt upon any conceivable event can possibly occur -- ie faster than the rate at which evidence for the assertion { <whatever> event is unlikely } can occur.

it reminds me of the conflict between vorlons and the shadow in babylon 5 for some reason.