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How disabled are you?
10 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
9 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
8 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
7 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
6 18%  18%  [ 18 ]
5 23%  23%  [ 23 ]
4 7%  7%  [ 7 ]
3 10%  10%  [ 10 ]
2 21%  21%  [ 21 ]
1 14%  14%  [ 14 ]
Total votes : 101

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14 Sep 2011, 12:17 pm

I'm glad this was popular.

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I would add that ADHD is not a mild disorder and is actually found to be more impairing than some of the things you listed as being more severe. Obviously, it's a spectrum disorder, but I mean in general it's going to be more debilitating than depression, anxiety, and suchlike.


I wouldn't really know since my ADD like behavior is limited to me being unable to watch any feature length films without great trouble or finishing any books or piano peices. I haven't learned a full piano peice in years.

I say ADD like because I do not believe I actually have ADD, I think it's more executive function problems.

The descriptions of the numbers are just guidelines, for the last two weeks my behavior would have indicated a need for hospitalisation (7), but I'm not in a hospital- I still think I'm 7.

And you don't need to be severely intellectually disabled to be 8, it's just one of the many things that might lead you there.

for the last two weeks, and for much of this for the last year I have..

definitely:
Moderate autism (5)
Moderate PTSD with disabling anxiety (6)
Body Dysmorphic Disorder (5 sometimes 6)
Chronic sleep problems (4)
Clinical Depression varying strongly in intensity (note the bipolar).

Maybe:
Bipolar II (7)
Mild Eating Disorder NOS

And I used to think I had OCD but it's more likely PTSD.


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14 Sep 2011, 7:15 pm

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I would add that ADHD is not a mild disorder and is actually found to be more impairing than some of the things you listed as being more severe. Obviously, it's a spectrum disorder, but I mean in general it's going to be more debilitating than depression, anxiety, and suchlike.


I am aware that I am being nit-picky, and I do totally agree that ADHD can be debilitating for many people--but for SOME people it can probably be quite mild. And I would MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have mild ADHD, than the severe depression I have now. People can also have anxiety that is so bad you cannot leave the house--while my severe ADHD niece, although she DEFINITELY suffers from it, leaves the house often and has a pretty normal life and lots of friends, etc.


Phonic included mild ADHD as well as ADHD, so those people for whom it is quite mild already have a spot.

Taking one element - such as someone who has anxiety and can't leave the house vs. someone with severe ADHD who does and has lots of friends doesn't provide the full picture. I know someone who probably has the most severe case of ADHD I have ever heard of, and she has a Ph.D. and teaches university classes. But that doesn't really communicate the difficulties and challenges she has to deal with because of it.

Here's an excerpt from chapter 14 of ADHD In Adults: What the Science Says by Russell R. Barkley, Kevin A. Murphy, and Mariellen Fischer to better explain my point:

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In this book we have presented one of the most comprehensive reviews and original research reports published to date on adults with ADHD concerning their symptoms, impairments, and adaptive functioning in many of the important domains of major life activities. We did so while juxtaposing the findings for clinic-referred adults with ADHD against those of clinic-referred children with ADHD followed into adulthood.

Our sample sizes in both studies provided sufficient statistical power to detect differences among the groups of at least low-to-moderate effect sizes or greater, ensuring that we were likely to identify those differences that would be robust and also clinically meaningful. By using two control groups in the UMASS Study, we were also able to report not only on the differences between adults with ADHD and general community samples typically reported in previous studies but also on differences that may be most specific to ADHD in adults relative to adults seen at the same clinic who are not diagnosed with ADHD but rather with other disorders.

The Milwaukee Study contrasted its adults currently having ADHD against those who, having grown up with ADHD, appeared no longer to have the disorder at age-27 follow-up. Our results relied not only on the self-reports of the adult participants but also on reports from significant others, clinician ratings, employers, official educational and DMV archives, and psychological tests. This extensive battery of measures gave us a multi-informant and multisource perspective on the disorder and its impact on major life activities. It allowed us to conclude that ADHD in adults is a far more impairing disorder across multiple domains of major life activities than are most other disorders likely to be seen in outpatient psychiatric clinics, such as anxiety disorders, or mood disorders.

Across all of our results, one thing seems abundantly clear—ADHD in adults is a significantly impairing disorder. It is associated with numerous difficulties in virtually every domain of major life activity studied here. Whether one studies functioning in education, occupation, social relationships, sexual activities, dating and marriage, parenting and offspring psychological morbidity, crime and drug abuse, health and related lifestyles, financial management, or driving, ADHD can be found to produce diverse and serious impairments. Indeed, its impairments are more substantial than are those seen in other disorders most likely to present to outpatient mental health clinics, such as anxiety disorders, dysthymia, and major depression, among others. This is obvious in the numerous differences we found between adults with ADHD and our Clinical control group.

The disorder also deserves its status as one distinct from other forms of psychopathology or developmental disabilities. Its symptoms and impairments are not due simply to general psychopathology. They stand out from other forms of psychopathology in numerous respects. Statements to the effect that ADHD is not a valid disorder, is a myth created by mercenary pharmaceutical companies or mental health professionals for sheer commercial gain, or is indistinct from the other disorders with which it may be associated are not only wrong, they are egregiously so.

Numerous differences emerged in the context of these two studies between those with ADHD and general population (Community) controls and between those with ADHD and Clinical control groups that make such assertions moribund. To continue to make such statements in the face of such overwhelming evidence to the contrary is to show either a stunning scientific illiteracy or reflect planned religious or political propaganda intended to deceive the uninformed or unsuspecting general public.



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14 Sep 2011, 7:36 pm

Right now I'm at a 5. And it's only a 5 since I take meds that help with my ADHD. Otherwise, it might be a 7 since I'd probably do something on impulse that I'd end up needing stitches for.



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14 Sep 2011, 8:37 pm

I would say 5 or 6. I have executive functioning problems which create problems at work, I think very slowly when it comes to tasks and procedures.

Also my sensory problems, some of which are related to AS and some which are more ADHD/anxiety related, are quite significant.


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14 Sep 2011, 10:18 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I'm going with five based on descriptions. Could be six sometimes. I have probably been a seven a few times (including a year and a half ago), but I've never actually been hospitalized.

I would add that ADHD is not a mild disorder and is actually found to be more impairing than some of the things you listed as being more severe. Obviously, it's a spectrum disorder, but I mean in general it's going to be more debilitating than depression, anxiety, and suchlike.


I think that depends on how severe someones ADHD is...I am pretty sure my depression is worse than some peoples ADHD and some peoples ADHD is worse than my depression. But depression can get pretty debilitating, I have had days where I can barely do anything because of how depressed I'm feeling.



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14 Sep 2011, 10:26 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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I'm going with five based on descriptions. Could be six sometimes. I have probably been a seven a few times (including a year and a half ago), but I've never actually been hospitalized.

I would add that ADHD is not a mild disorder and is actually found to be more impairing than some of the things you listed as being more severe. Obviously, it's a spectrum disorder, but I mean in general it's going to be more debilitating than depression, anxiety, and suchlike.


I think that depends on how severe someones ADHD is...I am pretty sure my depression is worse than some peoples ADHD and some peoples ADHD is worse than my depression. But depression can get pretty debilitating, I have had days where I can barely do anything because of how depressed I'm feeling.


I'm not talking about comparing any two people who may have depression or ADHD, but as an overall trend, ADHD is anything but a mild disorder. It seems that a lot of people think of it as such but it really can and does cause severe issues. Like every other disorder it runs from mild to severe, so of course some people with severe depression will be more debilitated than some people with mild ADHD, but that doesn't address the point I was making. After all, I made no claim that ADHD is always more impairing than depression or anxiety, nor did I try to imply that depression or anxiety (both of which I have been diagnosed with, along with ADHD and AS) are themselves relatively mild conditions.

Also what I quoted a few posts upthread.



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14 Sep 2011, 10:36 pm

I chose 5. I am still being evaluated by my current psychologist, but I have been dx'd with ADHD and Major Depressive Disorder by the first one I saw (primarily for testing). Finding an expert on diagnosing adult women with AS has proven impossible where I live, but my current psych is working on learning more about AS in general and in adults and women in particular. He is leaning toward AS but is is not yet certain and also does not want to rule out anxiety disorder and OCD. Once my dx is complete we will decide about how to procede with therapy and meds. Fortunatly, I am pretty physically sound, except for a herniated disc.



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14 Sep 2011, 11:04 pm

Just as a point of possible interest, since I have both... I find my ADHD causes me more issues than my problems with depression. It affects more areas of my life more profoundly and more frequently. I'd say that my ADHD is at least moderate, and I really don't feel that my depression has been anything more than moderate for the majority of my life, although I have had a few periods that were pretty bleak. I do wonder though, if I have ADHD and AS, or just AS, which is still to be determined,if that would explain the more severe "ADHD" issues. From what I have read, it's not that uncommon for adults with AS to be mis-dx'd with ADHD.



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06 Jan 2017, 4:17 am

I've been formally diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome (Mild or moderate, depending on conditions I guess, like everyone else) Severe OCD, very mild ADHD (That I took care of a LONG time ago) and slightly above moderate Social anxiety. I've had on and off depression, pretty typical case of it, but that's because of my age, I'm sure of it.



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06 Jan 2017, 7:21 am

I would say that I am at a 1 or a 2.



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07 Jan 2017, 7:44 am

I'm no good at judging how mentally impaired I am. How mentally impaired does that make me? :(


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07 Jan 2017, 8:24 am

I voted eight before reading your scale's criteria.

I have been diagnosed with HFA, misdiagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, have eating issues (both undereating and overreating) but do not currently take medication. I am presently employed by the NHS as a Business Admin Apprentice, but I have only been there for six weeks and have almost quit on three occasions because of sensory overload. I do not have any friends and still live at home with my mother.

It's difficult to gauge how crippling autism is to me.


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07 Jan 2017, 9:47 am

a 1 I guess o_o



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07 Jan 2017, 10:29 am

Looking at this list objectively, I would have to consider myself at #2

Very high functioning Asperger's (self diagnosed)
I take medication for a disorder not mentioned on the list, but am under full control.
I have some anxiety, but not crippling. I would say it is more anticipatory.
I used to feel depressed because I didn't function nearly as well ten years ago as I do now, but that is over.

Back in 1989, when I was studying for my Master's Degree in English, I was hospitalized, so I would probably have been at a seven then. Ten years ago, probably a three. Now I am between a 1 and a 2.