If you think you have autism but don't, you're a loser.

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I guess you need to define loser and winner.

Personally, I just tell people I'm brain damaged. Hey, I've even got a diagnosis for that one -- and brain damage is way-cool these days! All the kids are doing it, and I'm sure that adults also find it cool. It's amazing how much people respect you when you're disabled. It's easy street. Everyone just, you know, cares. And they never run screaming for the hills or act like a**holes. Understanding is at every turn.

But there's too many brain-damage fakers these days. You don't really walk like that -- you're just emo, loser. Can't read this text? Read this: "you suck." Yeah, faker, I thought so. I really hate those posers in the powerchairs. Talk about laying it on thick. Geeze. I bet they got those chairs at Hot Topic.

I can think of 8 people, right off the top, in my small circle of friends and co-workers, who I'm convinced are on the spectrim.

Only one is diagnosed, he's 16 and was diagnosed at 5. I'm going to leave him out of this post because he's a kid.

Of the remaining 7, one considers himself to have aspergers and he's only come to that conclusion in his 50s. He is undiagnosed.

In the current state of diagostic practice this isn't surprising. Six of them have long term jobs that are not in strictly technical fields. I think they're aspies because it's visible and audible; throw in occaisional meltdowns and it looks pretty clear to me.

They all are quirky and have various struggles, but none of them is a loser. They function in jobs and keep homes; two of them have raised children. Their aspieness flys under the radar of the non-existant aspie police.

Maybe noticing undiagnosed and non-self-diagnosed aspies makes me a loser.

Which game are you playing?

you're sure the rules are right?

A better question could be:

Which game is worth playing?

Well, the underlying meaning of the message was...

Serious and true.

The way it was presented was...

Joking though if you read it... as the way it is... it seems inflammatory since I tend to intensify my writing by using polarizing language.

The fact I ended up identifying with the WP non-autistic subpopulation I talked about was an attempt at making it seem not quite as serious as one might assume. I guess that really didn't work, but oh well. One shouldn't cry over spilt milk.

It's a great little game. I think you can get it at your local Walmart for about $12.99.


...thank you! I'm here all night!

"That's tough."
"What's tough?"
"Life."
"What's life?"
"A magazine."
"How much?"
"20 cents."
"I only have a nickel."
"That's tough."

Because some people are well read and have self insight. There is nothing magical about clinicians that give them some special ability to recognize AS or autistic spectrum disorders, that others don't have. Their knowledge of these things comes from books, articles, studies, and occasionally experience with individuals on the spectrum. Many people with AS are voracious information mongers and will study a subject at a scholarly level so it's not unreasonable that they would be able to recognize AS in themselves if it exists. Sometimes the same could be said for people with HFA.



There are situations where labels and what they represent are important, such as in scientific studies. However with respect to social difficulties as it applies to Wrong Planet, whether that person has AS/ASD or not, whether they are officially diagnosed or not, is irrelevant when they come here looking for support for their social difficulties. The bottom line is, they are struggle socially and regardless of the root of the issue, they are generally no more or less a loser than someone who does have AS/ASD/an official diagnosis.

I do not think it's right to call them losers, technically, ethically, or morally.

Oh no, it was I who misunderstood what you wrote. It seemed as if you were suggesting society would define you as a loser, while you personally saw parts of your life that seemed to suggest the contrary, so I was wondering who you considered to be the rightful judge of your loser-dom when you asked what should determine you're winning at, as it is the "who" that judges the winner's criteria.

Man, that paragraph sounds like crazy talk. Typical of philosophy, haha.

Anyway, "loser" and "autistic" are independent labels. One could be a...

neurotypical loser
autistic loser
neurotypical winner
autistic winner

And various shades in between. Now, who determines the criteria for 'winning'? Furthermore, who defines the criteria for "autism"?

(Hey, Verdandi, do you have a bio or something? What texts have you written? )

I think whether or not you are doing good in life is because you are happy with yourself which isn't categorized by whether or not you're neurotypical.

Mine too...

~Kate

Mostly stuff for roleplaying games (yes, like Dungeons & Dragons).

I also wrote some feminist essays that really went over well.

I must agree. In retrospect I think that any post that uses the word 'loser' is doomed to be non-useful.

Emo kids are pack animals. I've been around them. They don't act all woe is me like they are portrayed.
They're just regular kids who dress a certain way and listen to a type of music, and are usually only friends with other kids who dress a certain way and listen to a certain type of music.

Emo should be over anyway. Fads shouldn't last more than 10 years.

How do you know so many people on the spectrum? That should seem statistically impossible with an incidence rate 1 out of 100, and I'd imagine autistic people aren't known for being well-known. (Or... maybe they are. )