Do you like NTs more than Aspies?
I honestly kind of do. All of my friends are NT. I think the reason is because of how Aspie people are different or encourage people to be different but NT people all want to be the same and do the same thing supposively and I want to fit in so I try and do the same thing as everyone else. I haven't met one Aspie who wants to do the same thing I do or even enough to try it. however most of the stuff I like doing NT people do.
While I'd never decide whether I like someone or not based on his neurology I have known more NTs that I've liked than I have Aspies. I've known lots of Aspies. I was in a school with a program for Aspies and there were tons of others. It was exhausting to interact with them. I just didn't feel good with them. Some were too naïve and went on and on about incredible things they believed while everyone else knew these things weren't true. Thomas was too insensitive and teased the hell out of me. Nicole was always complaining about every little thing in her life. John was one of the naïve ones. Edward was a nice guy. The only thing that made interaction with him difficult was his stuttering. I stutter a bit and I know he can't help it but he had it to an extent that forced me to strain my ears to listen to him. It was unfortunate because he didn't have any of the personality problems that the others had. Daniel Williams wasn't as bad as Thomas but had the same issue with insensitivity. Norbert was just a goofball in an annoying way.
The handful of NT friends that I do have right now are easier to get along with. I have known some pretty nasty NTs as well so I'm not going to like someone just for being NT but I have had the best experiences with NTs and a couple of people who I suspect had mild learning disabilities other than Autism. Aspies have never been my best friends.
Relationships primarily succeed for me when they are either (1) structured shared interests (such as musical partners) or (2) one-on-one (this often leads me into romantic involvements). I lucked out early in life when I achieved both 1 & 2 at the age of 19. Been in a long dry spell lately.
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ASQ: 45. RAADS-R: 229.
BAP: 132 aloof, 132 rigid, 104 pragmatic.
Aspie score: 173 / 200; NT score: 33 / 200.
EQ: 6.
NT friends are better IMO as long as they're nice and understanding. I've always wanted to feel like I'm part of a group, and most of the other Aspies I know are "lone wolves". Or there are personality clashes, so I definitely prefer NT friends (though my best friend is the exception, since our personalities don't clash).
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I value other Aspies for their depth of thought into subjects and their attention to detail. It's what I do best too but I was married to an Aspie and now I'm in a relationship with an NT. I'm much happier with the NT. When I was with the Aspie I felt lonely. We couldn't bridge the gap to connect, we were essentially roommates. With the NT I need to make extra effort but we connect. I'm pretty sure we'll be together until one of us kicks the bucket. I think what's good about being with an NT is the NT will get the Aspie out of the house and doing stuff they wouldn't do of their own volition. I'm still not 100% used to the spontaneity but I've learned to turn the porch light on whenever we go out because there's no telling when we'll get home.
I think I'd get along best with NTs who are intelligent (i.e. like to discuss), sensitive, and have some milder aspie traits. I feel like I'm too selfish to attempt to relate to another aspie who isn't super high functioning. Otherwise they can't make up for my shortcomings (help keep the conversation going, make interacting with body language easier, help me come out of my shell, not talk so much I can't get a word in, etc...). I just feel too awkward in person with a lot of other aspies and then feel crappy for not being able to try harder to be their friend. I think I get along best with people who somehow come off as being just slightly aspie, even less aspie than me. I also get along better with people who aren't quite as introverted as me. They motivate me more.
Like many people with undiagnosed Aspergers I never had either Aspie or autistic friends. Now I actively seek to associate with people on the spectrum but find that I don't share their specific obsessions/special interests. I also find communicating with them a challenge; yet I see glimmer of what people would say about me when I was younger and (ironically) helps explain why I never pursued friendships despite having no problem making friends.
For those of us on the edge of the spectrum making friends with fellow autistics requires proactive action on our part.
I aspire to successful, confident NTs, but I could never get along with them. I like Aspies, although it's often hard to accept because sometimes I think that if I were exposed to the charisma and positiveness of NTs, I would become more like that and less of an anxious wreck. It probably wouldn't work in reality, though.
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I see truth in this^. I once witnessed two young male aspies turn a conversation with an older woman into brutal bash-her-over-the-head-with-logic crap because she mentioned she was religious. Very uncool. As an outside observer I could see their posturing for the insecurities it hid, but it was ugly to watch.
Others (mainly females) have attached themselves to me, claimed 'best friend' status and proceeded to rip away all the patience I ever possessed. (According to Tony Atwood female aspies usually attach themselves to a socially successful 'mother figure'. Too bad they don't realise I'm actually not like that at all!)
But saying that, there are a few aspies who I get along with just fine. They're usually the ones with more introspection and are willing to accept other people's points of view.
I'm still working on trying to emulate that...
I tend to avoid people who bash my beliefs especially using "logic as a back-up". I find a lot of Aspergers people lack the two traits I like having in friends: subtlety and empathy. In Australia, most people are generally more blunt than our counterparts in other countries. Like you said, I get along with people with Aspergers if they respect my belief. I am extremely extroverted for an Aspergers.
I see truth in this^. I once witnessed two young male aspies turn a conversation with an older woman into brutal bash-her-over-the-head-with-logic crap because she mentioned she was religious. Very uncool. As an outside observer I could see their posturing for the insecurities it hid, but it was ugly to watch.
Others (mainly females) have attached themselves to me, claimed 'best friend' status and proceeded to rip away all the patience I ever possessed. (According to Tony Atwood female aspies usually attach themselves to a socially successful 'mother figure'. Too bad they don't realise I'm actually not like that at all!)
But saying that, there are a few aspies who I get along with just fine. They're usually the ones with more introspection and are willing to accept other people's points of view.
I'm still working on trying to emulate that...
I tend to avoid people who bash my beliefs especially using "logic as a back-up". I find a lot of Aspergers people lack the two traits I like having in friends: subtlety and empathy. In Australia, most people are generally more blunt than our counterparts in other countries. Like you said, I get along with people with Aspergers if they respect my belief. I am extremely extroverted for an Aspergers.
I translate that to mean you are over sensitive to cope with anyone bashing your beliefs,
I see truth in this^. I once witnessed two young male aspies turn a conversation with an older woman into brutal bash-her-over-the-head-with-logic crap because she mentioned she was religious. Very uncool. As an outside observer I could see their posturing for the insecurities it hid, but it was ugly to watch.
Others (mainly females) have attached themselves to me, claimed 'best friend' status and proceeded to rip away all the patience I ever possessed. (According to Tony Atwood female aspies usually attach themselves to a socially successful 'mother figure'. Too bad they don't realise I'm actually not like that at all!)
But saying that, there are a few aspies who I get along with just fine. They're usually the ones with more introspection and are willing to accept other people's points of view.
I'm still working on trying to emulate that...
I tend to avoid people who bash my beliefs especially using "logic as a back-up". I find a lot of Aspergers people lack the two traits I like having in friends: subtlety and empathy. In Australia, most people are generally more blunt than our counterparts in other countries. Like you said, I get along with people with Aspergers if they respect my belief. I am extremely extroverted for an Aspergers.
I translate that to mean you are over sensitive to cope with anyone bashing your beliefs,
No. Not at all. There is a correct public and private behaviour. Bashing another person persons beliefs in public is dishonourable and disgusting. Those are meant for private discussions. It is not gentlemen/lady like, inelegant and pathetic. I have a code of conduct which is not too hard to follow.