Combating Autism Bill Squashed by Rep. Joe Barton of Texas

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05 Oct 2006, 9:25 am

:evil: Kim, you need to get a life, and get a real job --- Mr. Barton will not be re-elected, Maybe you should try knitting instead of talking politics on something you obviously no nothing about~

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:lol: Cool, glad to get rid of that crappy piece of literature. Maybe while they're adjusting the language, they'll make it more palatable and humane. Starting with the name of the Act.
The Feds have already increased funding via the Defense Dept (going to war on Autistics, are they?)
A lot of questionable (quackery) aspects to the Combating Autism Act. It needs to be cleaned up or dropped.


Maybe you can get a job with Joe Barton, or perhaps you already have one.
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05 Oct 2006, 9:31 am

:evil: Joe Barton wants everyone to support his NIH Bill =-- which has no chance of passing --- and he wants "no environmental research" put into the current bill which asks for environmental research to find the CAUSE for the explosion of autistic children. Who's got their hands in who's pocket there? hummmm Mr. Barton's number is 817-543-1000 --- ask HIM... :evil: ote="subatai_baadur"]Wait, now I looked this guy up on Wiki and figured out that he's a jackass in the pocket of big oil. I'm so very, very confused now.[/quote]



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05 Oct 2006, 9:59 am

:evil: Duhhh he is quoting the truth.... via associated press. Interesting bit of news? :evil: You were probably too busy watching the email info about Foley to even know about Barton? :evil:

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The first post, whom does Dano4734 quote?



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05 Oct 2006, 10:07 am

Ok, new kids, shut up and stop picking fights. This is a pro autism site, we do not want your BS cures. Stop telling me that the Congress is introducing bills for your kids, stop shaming us, and get back to your kids. The next curebie words I see prompt a flame war, no questions asked.


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05 Oct 2006, 10:14 am

:x Nobody is picking a fight - my son has made incredible progress thru early intervention... Pro-autism site should be pro finding out what is causing it and helping those of us who are going broke because of it. I have more important things to do than go back and forth about politics. I am fighting for my son - end of f--- story, ok? if the autism community would come together, together we would see change. :x

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Ok, new kids, shut up and stop picking fights. This is a pro autism site, we do not want your bull**** cures. Stop telling me that the Congress is introducing bills for your kids, stop shaming us, and get back to your kids. The next curebie words I see prompt a flame war, no questions asked.



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05 Oct 2006, 10:31 am

Wow! I'm not an employee of anyone from politics, anyone with a brain can read that I'm a mom of an autistic, wife of an aspie and most likely an aspie myself. So, stuff it! I wrote on the first page and I'm not gonna sit here and spam the thread with insults and accusations.
No one said they want to send anyone anywhere. I don't know Joe Barton, except that the Combating Autism. org site mentioned him!

This is a site for Aspies and autistics, most of us don't want a cure, just accomodation in this world.

if there is another accusation, I will complain. I won't tolerate insults when I come here for help, comfort and comraderie. You have more important things to do than talk politics? Well, then, why come here after me and make up stuff and complain about how your son is making you broke?!

You want to whine and join up with someone, go cry with the Autism Speaks crowd. They love talking about how miserable their children make them and expensive it is to cure their kids.



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05 Oct 2006, 10:42 am

K :?: WELL, ok then, I am about finding a cure and the CAUSE --- I am all about helping my son. So sorry - I was certainly in the wrong room.... I will hang out with Autism Speaks - and someday my son will thank me. Good luck in life~ :?: imJ wrote:
Wow! I'm not an employee of anyone from politics, anyone with a brain can read that I'm a mom of an autistic, wife of an aspie and most likely an aspie myself. So, stuff it! I wrote on the first page and I'm not gonna sit here and spam the thread with insults and accusations.
No one said they want to send anyone anywhere. I don't know Joe Barton, except that the Combating Autism. org site mentioned him!

This is a site for Aspies and autistics, most of us don't want a cure, just accomodation in this world.

if there is another accusation, I will complain. I won't tolerate insults when I come here for help, comfort and comraderie. You have more important things to do than talk politics? Well, then, why come here after me and make up stuff and complain about how your son is making you broke?!

You want to whine and join up with someone, go cry with the Autism Speaks crowd. They love talking about how miserable their children make them and expensive it is to cure their kids.



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05 Oct 2006, 10:44 am

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:x Nobody is picking a fight - my son has made incredible progress thru early intervention... Pro-autism site should be pro finding out what is causing it and helping those of us who are going broke because of it. I have more important things to do than go back and forth about politics. I am fighting for my son - end of f--- story, ok? if the autism community would come together, together we would see change. :x
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Ok, new kids, shut up and stop picking fights. This is a pro autism site, we do not want your bull**** cures. Stop telling me that the Congress is introducing bills for your kids, stop shaming us, and get back to your kids. The next curebie words I see prompt a flame war, no questions asked.

Screw you. Early intervention. You want some goddamn early intervention, why don't you go pump mercury into your kid like the rest of the curebie jackasses? Better yet, try electroshock therapy and amonia gas. All methods that have killed aspies because you idiots can't deal with someone elses problem. You are fighting to have an easier life for yourself because you are one of those lazy b***h moms that goes and suffocates her children because she can't deal with the fact that her child is the unfortunate biproduct of a wonderful gift that has given the world Newton, Graham-Bell, Einstein, and many, many more. You stupid lazy b*****s frustrate the hell out of me.


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05 Oct 2006, 10:52 am

subatai_baadur wrote:
fite4jack wrote:
:x Nobody is picking a fight - my son has made incredible progress thru early intervention... Pro-autism site should be pro finding out what is causing it and helping those of us who are going broke because of it. I have more important things to do than go back and forth about politics. I am fighting for my son - end of f--- story, ok? if the autism community would come together, together we would see change. :x
subatai_baadur wrote:
Ok, new kids, shut up and stop picking fights. This is a pro autism site, we do not want your bull**** cures. Stop telling me that the Congress is introducing bills for your kids, stop shaming us, and get back to your kids. The next curebie words I see prompt a flame war, no questions asked.

Screw you. Early intervention. You want some goddamn early intervention, why don't you go pump mercury into your kid like the rest of the curebie jackasses? Better yet, try electroshock therapy and amonia gas. All methods that have killed aspies because you idiots can't deal with someone elses problem. You are fighting to have an easier life for yourself because you are one of those lazy b**** moms that goes and suffocates her children because she can't deal with the fact that her child is the unfortunate biproduct of a wonderful gift that has given the world Newton, Graham-Bell, Einstein, and many, many more. You stupid lazy b*****s frustrate the hell out of me.
:!: Sounds like you have issues - by the way, I'm a man!



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05 Oct 2006, 10:57 am

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K :?: WELL, ok then, I am about finding a cure and the CAUSE --- I am all about helping my son. So sorry - I was certainly in the wrong room.... I will hang out with Autism Speaks - and someday my son will thank me. Good luck in life~ :?:


The reason your not going to find much support for "curing" your son around here is because most of us are autistic and we know that there is no cure its not a seperate part of a person there is no normal child there if you take away the autism you take away the child.

So when you speak of curing your son we see what you are really saying which is you wish your child would die and be replaced by another person who looks like them.

There is nothing wrong with your child they are simply not what you expected and see the world in ways you cant understand. If you have a problem with that you have no one to blame but yourself. No one forced you to play genetic russian roulette by having children. You knew what the risks were and that this sort of thing was a possibility.

Getting mad at us because we dont pity you and see being unique as a disease and are more concerned for your own inconvenience than what your child wants like you doesnt change a thing.

The truth doesnt care if you beleive in it or not it just is what it is and so are we.


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05 Oct 2006, 11:19 am

I think we need some definitions here.

When we say "We don't want a cure for autism", we mean that we don't want people aborted because they are autistic, or forced against their will to take drugs that make them more "normal", or forced to act like "normal" people.

What we DO want is for autistic people to be educated. We have a greater need for education just because we are less suited for living in the culture we are born into than the average child is. We need to learn how to interact with people, how to deal with our anxiety and overstimulation, how to do things that everyone else takes for granted.

When we say we are against that bill, we are saying that we do not want more money to go into looking for a "cure" that will turn autistic people into "normal" people--without their permission--or will go into looking for autistic people before they are born, and end up with those people being aborted. And if you read that bill, then you will see that this is what a lot of the money is going to do.

If there were a bill that gave money to people who work in special education to find out how to help autistic people adjust to the strange new world we are dumped into at birth, or to help pay for health care and education for autistic people, or to help pay for education of the general public to prevent discrimination against autistics, then we would probably be quite supportive.

But when a government official claims that autism should be "cured", and makes it seem as though autistic people themselves are a drag on society and a tragedy to their families, and doesn't even think about helping them, only "curing" them, then we are not very supportive of his bills.


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05 Oct 2006, 12:15 pm

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:evil: This "piece of crap" BILL WAS for MY SON. My son who struggles daily to do things you and I take for granted. MY son, whom I would give my life for --- So, for those of you who laugh about this, who say off beat comments that my child should be sent away to an island = and just "get rid" of him. God help you people, because you are a sick group. It cost me upwards of $100,000 a year for therapy not covered by insurance! The combating autism Bill was made to help with therapy, but more importantly to find the CAUSE for this. I recommend we line all you uncaring people up === give you a good shot of thimerisol and watch you start head banging and stimming all over..... Shame on you all. When autism hits your family or friends, think back to what you wrote here. What a terrible evil group of mindless self-centered - self- rightous :evil:

I am an aspie. The only reason I would be for moving us all off to an island would be to so that we're safe from all the NTs. Let's face it, it's simply not practicial to move all the neurotypicials. If this bill was for helping the ASD people, I would probably vote for it. But IT'S NOT. They don't want to help ASD children anymore than exteriminators want to help rats and things.


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05 Oct 2006, 12:23 pm

Callista, you are much more patient than I. Thanks
What on earth costs $100,000 a year???? You could buy a house in the country with animals and a nice yard with lots of time to take care of an autistic and help them learn and be happy.



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05 Oct 2006, 12:23 pm

We've got people on this site itching to kick some ass, and a lot more with good ideas. This thread, and Callista's post especially, got me wondering.

Is there any reason we couldn't put together our own ideas on how the government could best spend the same amount of money to do the most good for autistic and aspie citizens and their families, and allow us to best use our special abilities to make the greatest possible contribution to the rest of society? Are there any politicians out there who would work with us, grab what we got and run with it?

It wouldn't necessarily have to be federal. Getting something going in one state would serve as a pilot project. California, maybe?


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05 Oct 2006, 12:36 pm

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:evil: This "piece of crap" BILL WAS for MY SON... When autism hits your family or friends, think back to what you wrote here. What a terrible evil group of mindless self-centered - self- rightous :evil:


This is wrongplanet.net . Autism didn't hit our families or friends - it hit US for the most part, thank you. We know how is life with autism more than you, we are not people passing by like tourists or something.

We have to see the real reasons why that politician refused the bill, but yeah, it didn't seem very helpful. As somebody said before, education, not "cure" is the answer.



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05 Oct 2006, 12:37 pm

KimJ wrote:
Callista, you are much more patient than I. Thanks
What on earth costs $100,000 a year???? You could buy a house in the country with animals and a nice yard with lots of time to take care of an autistic and help them learn and be happy.

:?: My son is obviously autistic and not aspergers - I only hope that one day he is as able to communicate as effectively as you. He's lost in his own world - It cost me $50,000 this past year for intensive inhome therapy -- and close to another $50,000 in EEGs and OT,Speech, PT - Yes, I could have spent that money on plenty of other things, including my other son with CP = but It's all gone to Jack. I will move to another site and continue to ask for help for Jack, not to change him, but to help him. As I said, maybe someday - he'll communicate like all of you - as of now, he cannot. :cry: