Do Intelligent People Automatically Fall on the Spectrum?
Are to you positive that she didn't say that most people on the spectrum are of above average intelligence, as that makes a lot more sense?
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Do you think this is true?
No.
Intelligent and introverted, maybe.
http://www.sengifted.org/articles_socia ... tten.shtml
These are just some examples of introverted individuals. These aren't simply shy people, although certainly many are shy. They also are not simply depressed individuals, although introverts just as extraverts can be depressed. And they aren't all social outcasts, although it may appear this way to the extraverts who need that ongoing social contact to be healthy and happy. Introversion is not a pathological condition; it is not an abnormal response to the world. It is simply a personality trait found in a small percentage of the total population. Introverts are different from extraverts and this difference is very difficult for the extravert to understand because they do not operate in that fashion. And because they do not understand it, many continually try to help the introvert become more social, more gregarious, more outgoing, and have more fun from the extravert perspective. Such is the situation of the introvert, a minority in the regular population but a majority in the gifted population (Gallagher, 1990; Hoehn & Birely, 1988). And that difference from the 'norm' is the reason this factor needs to be considered when developing educational programs and parenting strategies for gifted students.
http://www.agateny.com/Article_SocialSkills.html
The social difficulties that have been observed in some gifted children include the following:
* Because of their advanced language and conceptual skills, some are highly directive ('bossy') in their play with others, which is not always well received by their play mates.
* Typically, gifted children have play interests in advance of surrounding children with the result that they cannot share similar play activities, resulting in the social isolation of gifted children.
* Some expect of others the same high performances that they demand of themselves, which other people find too demanding.
* Many seek out adult company when like-minded peers are not available.
* Some might need to learn to be tactful about parading their skills in front of less able classmates; however, the more common difficulty is that children are too reticent about displaying their talents as they know that these will be disparaged.
* Some are disparaged by average learners, whereby they feel that in order to fit in socially, they must underperform.
* Some gifted children are placed in leadership roles because they have the intellectual, social or problem-solving skills to lead successfully. However, leadership is conferred voluntarily by followers - and surrounding children might not receive positively the placement of gifted children in leadership positions, while the gifted children themselves often do not want this role. Also, one must guard against the 'Robin Hood' effect of robbing time from gifted children as they support less able students: all children have a right to be working at their developmental level.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectu ... #Isolation
Giftedness is frequently not evenly distributed throughout all intellectual spheres; an individual may excel in solving logic problems and yet be a poor speller; another gifted individual may be able to read and write at a far above average level and yet have trouble with mathematics. It is possible there are different types of giftedness with their own unique features, just as there are different types of developmental delay.
Many gifted individuals experience various types of heightened awareness and may seem overly sensitive. These sensitivities may be to physical senses such as sight, sound, smell, movement and touch. For example, they may be extremely uncomfortable when they have a wrinkle in their sock, or unable to concentrate because of the sound of a clock ticking on the other side of the room. Sensitivities of the gifted are often to mental and emotional over-awareness. For example, picking up on the feelings of someone close to them, having extreme sensitivity to their own internal emotions, and taking in external information at a significantly higher rate than those around them. These various kinds of sensitivities often mean that the more gifted an individual is, the more input and awareness they experience, leading to the contradiction of them needing more time to process than others who are not gifted.[16]
Hypersensitivity to external or internal stimuli can resemble a proneness to "sensory overload", which can cause such persons to avoid highly stimulating, chaotic or crowded environments. This kind of highly sensitive nature has also been called "overexcitability" by Kazimierz Dabrowski. Some are able to tune out such unwanted stimulation as they focus on their chosen task or on their own thoughts. In many cases, awareness may fluctuate between conditions of hyperstimulation and of withdrawal. (An individual's tendencies to feel overwhelmed is also affected by their extraversion and introversion.)
These conditions may appear to be very similar to symptoms of hyperactivity, bipolar disorder, ADHD, autism-spectrum conditions, and other psychological disorders, but are often explained by gifted education professionals by reference to Kazimierz Dabrowski's theory of Positive Disintegration.[17] Some researchers focus on the study of overexcitabilities. Overexcitabilities refer to ways people, both children and adults, understand and experience the world around them (Gross 2008). The more channels of overexcitabilities that are open to receive the information or stimulus, the stronger or more intense the experience is.
According to Gross (2008), an individual response to a stimulus is determined by his/her dominant overexcitability. Overexcitabilities are expressed in five dimensions: psychomotor, sensual, intellectual, imaginational, and emotional. These dominant channels of acquiring information differ by quantity in some individuals.[18]
Gee, this sounds NOTHING like AS.
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I very highly doubt this! I know MANY very intelligent people who are no where close to being on the autism spectrum.
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Holy crap, it took three pages for one of us to come up with this.
But yes, it really does make more sense.
Frances
Also, it makes more sense as I've heard this said to people with other mental disorders where the afflicted people tend to be intelligent, but they might need to be explicity told so to boost their self-esteem, such as dyslexia.
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No. I know plenty of very, very intelligent people who are socially skilled, flexible, spontaneous, handle change well, have a wide variety of interests- i.e.- not autistic.
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At the moment I dont' have the link ( it was posted here btw), but if the stat is correct then approximately 25% of Apergerians score in the superior range. That's 120 + or in the 90th percentile. Looking at the bell curve @ the 120 mark makes 10 percent of the typical population score in this range or greater>. On side two of the coin, though, I wonder if this bell curve indicates the other 25 percent score * 80 *?
No, that's not what she said. She pretty much said anyone with high intelligence would be diagnosed with Asperger's. That it was a byproduct of high intelligence.
Do you think this is true?
This sister works in special education. Therefore it's quite likely that all of the high IQ children that she works with in special education fall on the autism spectrum. It looks like she wildly over generalized. I'm sure that in a school's special education department, the highest IQ children getting services from that department will be autistic. This does not hold true of the larger world.
No, that's not what she said. She pretty much said anyone with high intelligence would be diagnosed with Asperger's. That it was a byproduct of high intelligence.
If that's what she said, she's full of crap. Just goes to show you that just because people hold certain positions and titles does not mean they have any clue what they are talking about even in their own field.
There are idiots EVERYWHERE.
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Before I could even begin to answer that question, I would need to know how we are defining "intelligence."
Personally, I don't believe in a "general intelligence." There are only people with various strengths that may or may not come into play in relation to certain, highly specific situations. Beyond that, there is no "overall intelligence" that can be mapped on a line ranging from "stupid" on one end to "smart" on the other.
Besides, what is considered "smart" at any given time in history has a direct relation to what the culture in question finds "valuable." Currently, in the U.S., people who design cell phone apps are graced with the honorific of "intelligent person" because we value cell phone apps. People who write poetry are not "intelligent people" because we do not currently value poetry as much as we value cell phones. Sad, but true.
Anyway, to answer your question, I do not believe "intelligent people" are all Aspies because, for the most part, I don't actually believe in "intelligent people."
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^ That's like saying the world is flat.
There are short people. There are tall people.
There are people with blue eyes. There are people with green eyes.
There are young people. There are old people.
Some people are fat, some are not.
Some people have hair, some do not.
Some people can run, others cannot.
Some people have AS, some do not.
Some people can think for themselves. Others cannot.
All I'm saying is that there is some correlation between the last two. Not totally, mind you, but some.
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This makes even less sense, attending that a substantial share of people in autistic spectrum are mentally ret*d (or, at least, appears to be in the formal tests),.
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