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09 Oct 2006, 4:13 am

I beleive in treating everyone equaly, no matter what label society has placed on them.

Back when I was in high school, many moons ago, I despized the normal kids. I did not like them because they were different than me. Those differences scared me. Think about it though, isn't that the same reason that most of them had for dislikeing others that they considered "differnt"? People in general seem to be scared of those that are not like themseves, no matter what part of the human spectrum they come from. Finaly, I came to the conclusion that to dislike someone for being normal/popular/whatever was just as bad as someone hating me for being weird.

One of the best things that we can learn to do, as humans, is to be more accepting of one another. If we keep the us vs them attitude, it stunts our personal growth; no matter if it is AS vs NT, white vs black, young vs old or polka-dot vs stripes. We have to learn how to at least try and understand everyone we come in contact with.

People are people
So why should it be
You and I should get along so awfully

So we're different colours
And we're different creeds
And different people have different needs
It's obvious you hate me
Though I've done nothing wrong
I've never even met you so what could I have done

I can't understand
What makes a man
Hate another man
Help me understand

Help me understand

Now you're punching
And you're kicking
And you're shouting at me
I'm relying on your common decency
So far it hasn't surfaced
But I'm sure it exists
It just takes a while to travel
From your head to your fists

(As you will find out when you get to know me, I relate just about everything to song. Song helps me to put the peices of situations together and see things in a more rational perspective)



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09 Oct 2006, 11:13 am

Damn polka-dots.. theyre the source of all evil you know :P

So you can either have an us vs them attitude or lie to yourself, believe there arent differences that will always cause conflict and continue with the facade where they are a hairs breath from lynching you for being different?

Sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.


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09 Oct 2006, 11:58 am

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So you can either have an us vs them attitude or lie to yourself, believe there arent differences that will always cause conflict and continue with the facade where they are a hairs breath from lynching you for being different?


I am not nessisarily saying to lie to yourself, but to rejoice in the difference. People will always be different, you cannot change that. But, the more you appreciate the differences in others, the more others will appreciate the differnces in you. Remember that those people that are ready to "lynch you for being different" are doing so because they have been programed to fear everthing that is different.

Prejudice will never go away, but I noticed as I grew older that fewer and fewer of the people that I run into even give a flying f***. The ones that do are the people that I avoid. I can't say that I hate them for being ignorant, but I sure as hell can't figure out where they are coming from, and I do not have to asscociate with them.



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09 Oct 2006, 12:30 pm

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the more you appreciate the differences in others, the more others will appreciate the differnces in you


Thats being idealistic. To appreciate the differences in others is to be different since society dictates you shouldnt tolerate abnormal behavior. Its a nice thought that you can get others to accept you by accepting them but it doesnt really work that way.

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Remember that those people that are ready to "lynch you for being different" are doing so because they have been programed to fear everthing that is different.


The problem is they've also been programmed to violently resist attempts to get them to defy their programming.


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09 Oct 2006, 1:17 pm

I realize that it is idealist, and I appoligise for my ideals being a little lofty. But, it has worked that way for me, to a certain degree. Idealism is something that I have had to learn. I was always too logical to be an idealist. It is logical to realize that you can't change people. I had to come to the realization that some people are programmed differently, and not to hate them for it. Hate is the nastiest of all emotions, and it is one that I prefer not to partake in.

I think that everyone here has had some pretty healthy attitudes about why they don't hate, and I find that refreshing. If we all went around with an attitude that we hated everone that is neurotypical, we would be lowering oursevles to the standards of the ignorant.

:lol: Sorry if I sound like a peaceful, tree-hugging hippie, but in the words of Popeye, "I yam what I yam".



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09 Oct 2006, 1:32 pm

I like idealism. It keeps me smiling inside.

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09 Oct 2006, 1:43 pm

Hazard wrote:
I don't hate all NTs. Stereotyping them makes us as bad as the group of NTs who believe everyone should be normal, and those who aren't should be 'cured'. I think because many Aspies have had bad experiences with certain NTs during their life, they tend to group all NTs together as intolerant, evil and manipulative. Some of them are like that, but there are also a good deal of Neurotypicals who are tolerant, understanding and against the 'cure all differences' idea.


Ditto.


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09 Oct 2006, 1:58 pm

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I find it interesting how much we stereotype NT's on this site. People here make them sound like a race of barbaric breeders corrupting everything due to their ignorance or intolerence.
Think about why we hate them though; because they have a life that we can't have. They understand bodily cues and inferred meaning in conversations. They don't freak out in a large group of people. They know how to make small talk and empathise with others.
We, on the other hand, can't. Therefore, we make our situation more bearable by believing that we are in fact the better ones. We build ourselves up so it hurts less - not having friends, not having sex, feeling lonely, not being able to function 'properly' or fully.

These are just thoughts, tell me what you all think.


I have sex, I have friends, I don't feel lonely, and I function "properly"... what reason have I to be jealous?

I understand bodily cues... largely through rote memorization, but I've come to understand them. I don't freak out in crowds, largely because 99% of the people in a crowd are little more than animated background scenery. I know how to appear to empathize with others.... which I can assure you is all anyone ever does. The primary difference with me is that I sometimes really feel that empathy, and "normal" people almost never do. And small talk really isn't that difficult, either. Get a person to talk about themselves, because that's really all the overwhelming majority of them ever wish to do.

I view normals as not being fully evolved, really. Rather than being ruled by logic, they're ruled by the herd mentality, nebulous instincts they do not understand, and the ever-present concern of What the Neighbors Will Think. In prehistoric times, these traits bestowed a survival advantage.

These days, those same traits just cause problems. In today's world, virtually everyone you will ever meet is only concerned with using you to further their own goals, sex with the wrong person can kill you, and the neighbors don't give a ripe f*** about you to start with. In today's world, the less evolved ways of doing things are no longer advantageous... in fact, they are counterproductive.

I don't envy people who are getting left behind, I view them with an admixture of pity and contempt.



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10 Oct 2006, 1:43 am

Hazelwudi wrote:
And small talk really isn't that difficult, either. Get a person to talk about themselves, because that's really all the overwhelming majority of them ever wish to do.


My problem is i'm not really interested in small talk. It's really boring to me. I try to pretend to stay interested but my mind wanders and i just tune it out. I would rather be doing something then standing around chit chatting.


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10 Oct 2006, 2:41 am

bizarre wrote:
Hazelwudi wrote:
And small talk really isn't that difficult, either. Get a person to talk about themselves, because that's really all the overwhelming majority of them ever wish to do.


My problem is i'm not really interested in small talk. It's really boring to me. I try to pretend to stay interested but my mind wanders and i just tune it out. I would rather be doing something then standing around chit chatting.


That's also my issue, I even got kicked out of an internship class because I was too focused on the work to engage in small talk with the rest of the office staff and was asked to get a refund for the class the next day. That incident was what led me to seek and get an official diagnosis.


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10 Oct 2006, 5:10 am

Small talk insn't too hard for me. Me and Starbuline have spent the past FIVE DAYS talking on MSN about random stuff, from Playstation games to Marriges on the Moon to how our day was. It's really fun for me!


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10 Oct 2006, 8:50 am

Yo, NTs are all different, I can vouch for that...sure, some of us are totally horrible people who don't understand each other's differences. But I get on fine with people with AS. I think a lot of NTs have more in common with Aspies than they realise. I hate small talk, it bores the brains out of me and I'd rather not talk at all. I also build up defences. And I can't read people. It's all about individuality. The thing I hate about society6 is that everyone says "be yourself, be individual" etc but society won't allow it. You guys have a label, autism, and I have a label, neurotypical. But really some of us are vastly different from each other and some of us are very similar to each other.

"I view normals as not being fully evolved, really. Rather than being ruled by logic, they're ruled by the herd mentality, nebulous instincts they do not understand, and the ever-present concern of What the Neighbors Will Think. In prehistoric times, these traits bestowed a survival advantage"

Actually there are loooads of people who will strike out on their own, don't want to be in crowds or ruled by the herd mentality. I don't give a toss what other people think. I would love to be on a remote island with nobody else but a few animals to survive by myself.
So we're all different! Then again I always treat some people with contempt - the fascists who despise individuality and want us all to think the same way/ Those are the people who bestow the herd mentality. (I'm not sure what bestow means, but it kind of fits in) but then again they're not neurotypical. They're just highly devolved.


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10 Oct 2006, 10:37 am

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10 Oct 2006, 11:27 am

I don’t hate NTs, nor do I think they exist.



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14 Oct 2006, 4:01 pm

If someone has a hatred of NT's, it's doubtless because they feel society has done them a really bad deal.

Even then, it is completely wrong to hate.



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14 Oct 2006, 5:54 pm

Keeno wrote:
If someone has a hatred of NT's, it's doubtless because they feel society has done them a really bad deal.

Even then, it is completely wrong to hate.


People do a lot of things that aren't right.

Anyway, no emotion is truely bad. It's what you do with it that counts.


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