I can easily spot other Aspies no matter what

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DreamSofa
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27 Dec 2011, 5:23 am

Joe's smoothie?!

Well, I suppose. As long as it's not Starbucks.



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27 Dec 2011, 5:27 am

I'm tempted to take this bet and I'm not even that confident of my aspiedar. I know it doesn't work for females.

Actually, you can't really ask people if they're autistic, that wouldn't be nice. Just pick a bunch to test with Joe's Smoothie, say you have to get 5 out of 10. That would be ~1000 people you'd have to see, which would take a couple/few hours in a busy thoroughfare. All monies escrowed first. I'd be up for that, I think.

You definitely have a spare grand? I wasn't sure if you were just making a point.



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27 Dec 2011, 8:49 am

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If they are undiagnosed, they are not eligible. This is basic quality assurance.


Makes the proposition pointless. If they're undiagnosed test them with Joe's smoothie. <-link

Put the £1000 in escrow with a trusted third party.


Not related, but wait. Joe did not intentionally pay the extra buck!! ! What are they thinking!! !



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27 Dec 2011, 8:56 am

I sort of have aspie sense/an aspiedar. I can usually tell if somebody is aspie or not, accurately.



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27 Dec 2011, 8:58 am

It's a maths thing. If 80% of aspies say one thing and 70% of nonautistics say another, you can maths a number of successful guesses of random strangers that would win me the bet. For £100 it's definitely worth a punt. Dreamsofa, are you in?



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27 Dec 2011, 3:15 pm

Basically, to earn the money, the claimant would need to identify, in a busy public place of my choosing, total strangers as being on the spectrum on the basis of the way that said total strangers walk, talk and make eye contact. The people picked out as being on the spectrum would need to be able to prove that they had an pre-existing professional diagnosis of ASD. The claimant would be not allowed to receive or make any kind of contact with anyone else other than myself once the challenge began.

It's a bit like the Amazing Randi's challenge, but with ASD.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:21 pm

That doesn't work, though. You know there exists a significant proportion of undiagnosed people on the spectrum. We need a way to validly identify these. I like Joe's Smoothie though it introduces statistical ideas we would have to agree upon. For £1000 against my £100 I'm keen to reach an agreement here. DreamSofa, are you up for it or are you all hot air?

Or just say I can guess 1 in 10 who can confirm (not produce, that's ridiculous) a diagnosis of ASD. Though I'm reluctant to ask people if they're on the spectrum; it feels invasive. Would prefer another method.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:49 pm

A potential method to identify an undiagnosed autistic person is to hint without directly saying that they are autistic. Watch them fail to pick up on the hints again and again and again. Use increasingly strong hints that fall just short of saying that they are autistic. If the suspected autistic person turns out to be an especially oblivious NT and eventually picks up on the hints and gets offended by them, then simply tell them that you are autistic and cover up your hinting by talking about your own autism, as if that was what you had been talking about all along.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I have a feeling that this is wrong wrong wrong, but I report on WP what is in my mind anyway. I have been the recipient of these increasingly strong hints that I was autistic, but I did not get them until years later, after I was diagnosed and told directly that I was autistic.



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27 Dec 2011, 3:57 pm

I have moral problems with that too, whereas I'm fine handing them a bland looking questionnaire. But whatever DreamSofa will agree to is fine, really. Looks like she's not serious about the challenge. It was just empty posturing. :(



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27 Dec 2011, 4:00 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
A potential method to identify an undiagnosed autistic person is to hint without directly saying that they are autistic. Watch them fail to pick up on the hints again and again and again. Use increasingly strong hints that fall just short of saying that they are autistic. If the suspected autistic person turns out to be an especially oblivious NT and eventually picks up on the hints and gets offended by them, then simply tell them that you are autistic and cover up your hinting by talking about your own autism, as if that was what you had been talking about all along.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I have a feeling that this is wrong wrong wrong, but I report on WP what is in my mind anyway. I have been the recipient of these increasingly strong hints that I was autistic, but I did not get them until years later, after I was diagnosed and told directly that I was autistic.


I suspect I had a friend hinting to me several years ago.



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27 Dec 2011, 4:14 pm

Verdandi wrote:
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A potential method to identify an undiagnosed autistic person is to hint without directly saying that they are autistic. Watch them fail to pick up on the hints again and again and again. Use increasingly strong hints that fall just short of saying that they are autistic. If the suspected autistic person turns out to be an especially oblivious NT and eventually picks up on the hints and gets offended by them, then simply tell them that you are autistic and cover up your hinting by talking about your own autism, as if that was what you had been talking about all along.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I have a feeling that this is wrong wrong wrong, but I report on WP what is in my mind anyway. I have been the recipient of these increasingly strong hints that I was autistic, but I did not get them until years later, after I was diagnosed and told directly that I was autistic.


I suspect I had a friend hinting to me several years ago.


How did they hint at it for you?

For me, a person would say something about ASD, then immediately afterwards, ask me something like, "How come you never say anything normal?"

Another person would say something about ASD and the unusual body language and facial expressions of autistic people. Then, immediately afterwards, tell me something like, "It looks like you are always rolling your eyes at people and being dismissive of them, because you look up so much."

I wonder if these people knew that autistic people will not pick up on hints that they are autistic, thus defeating the purpose of the hints, or if the hints were part of their tests on me.



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27 Dec 2011, 4:25 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
How did they hint at it for you?

For me, a person would say something about ASD, then immediately afterwards, ask me something like, "How come you never say anything normal?"

Another person would say something about ASD and the unusual body language and facial expressions of autistic people. Then, immediately afterwards, tell me something like, "It looks like you are always rolling your eyes at people and being dismissive of them, because you look up so much."

I wonder if these people knew that autistic people will not pick up on hints that they are autistic, thus defeating the purpose of the hints, or if the hints were part of their tests on me.


Said person had a brother I'd known in high school who was diagnosed with AS in 2003 or so. She brought the subject up to me a few times, and mentioned him doing things that I'd do (like talking about interests).



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27 Dec 2011, 6:20 pm

DreamSofa wrote:
Basically, to earn the money, the claimant would need to identify, in a busy public place of my choosing, total strangers as being on the spectrum on the basis of the way that said total strangers walk, talk and make eye contact. The people picked out as being on the spectrum would need to be able to prove that they had an pre-existing professional diagnosis of ASD. The claimant would be not allowed to receive or make any kind of contact with anyone else other than myself once the challenge began.

It's a bit like the Amazing Randi's challenge, but with ASD.


You should also ensure that there are a few people who do have a diagnosis there, and see if the claimant can identify them.



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27 Dec 2011, 6:39 pm

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Have any of you "Aspie-Spotters" ever had your findings confirmed?

Or do you simply base the validity of your claim on faith alone?

In other words: Evidence, Please?


In August this year I saw a boy who flapped his hands in exactly the same way as my son does. Long story short, I spoke to the boy's father who told me that the boy had a diagnosis of autism. The boy's brother, who was also there, had a diagnosis of Asperger's and he didn't stand out from the crowd at all.

Edited to add: What's my prize for spotting one out of two, among a crowd of thousands? :wink:



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27 Dec 2011, 9:00 pm

DreamSofa wrote:
Basically, to earn the money, the claimant would need to identify, in a busy public place of my choosing, total strangers as being on the spectrum on the basis of the way that said total strangers walk, talk and make eye contact. The people picked out as being on the spectrum would need to be able to prove that they had an pre-existing professional diagnosis of ASD. The claimant would be not allowed to receive or make any kind of contact with anyone else other than myself once the challenge began.

It's a bit like the Amazing Randi's challenge, but with ASD.


But, then, you are asking them to prove something different than the initial claim.

The claim was, being able to always tell if someone is an aspie.

If someone taking your bet were to spot someone they thing is aspie, but that person doesn't have a diagnosis, or doesn't have proof with them, that doesn't mean that person is wrong in their judgment.

And if the person taking your bet says someone is an aspie, and that person has with them proof of their diagnosis, that doesn't mean they can spot all aspies as they claim.


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27 Dec 2011, 10:48 pm

I was thinking that too but I might not have said it as good as mysty.