"No Autistic People Fifty Years Ago" What?
You had said something about families with money which I didn't quote and that reminded me of the one Kennedy girl that they put in the institution and did a lobotomy on. I cannot remember what was wrong with her, but that seems to be an example right there. With all the money and connections they had, they could surely have kept her at home and gave her a happy life, but she wasn't "perfect" so they didn't.
She was perfect enough to be presented to the Queen of England when she was in her late teens, and her father was our Ambassador, with her sister at her elbow to guide her and make sure she didn't say or do anything weird. She was kept at home until after that, and sort of stumbled her way through a normal life. I don't remember about the lobotomy: I read Teddy Kennedy's memoir or autobiography a year or so ago, but I don't remember quite what he said about her well enough. I think the institutionalization became necessary for some reason or other -- maybe some kind of treatment (like, say, a lobotomy?) Doctors did all kinds of weird things that they talked parents into allowing, on the "doctor knows best" authority. A lot of them thought they were God, and what they said was right, just because they said it. Talk about "insane"!
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From "True Compass", Edward M. Kennedy
"My sisters performed their ceremonial roles with a great deal more poise. Rosemary, then nineteen, and Kick, eighteen, made their social debuts just weeks after we arrived. The setting was Buckingham Palace, where they were to be presented to the Queen, and the event required endless drilling and preparation. My mother took them across the Channel to Paris on several weekends to select gowns for their debuts, and the long string of social events that would follow.
"The evening arrived, and when their names were called Kathleen and Rosemary made their march together in their shimmering white gown from the antechamber up the red carpet toward the Queen. My sisters curtsied perfectly. Kick danced especially brilliantly through all of the debutante balls that season, the Kennedy ball included, and her smiling beauty attracted partners from the British Isles, Europe and Russia."
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Four years later:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy#Notable_cases
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http://books.google.com/?id=xnckeeTICn0 ... ntcover&q=
You had said something about families with money which I didn't quote and that reminded me of the one Kennedy girl that they put in the institution and did a lobotomy on. I cannot remember what was wrong with her, but that seems to be an example right there. With all the money and connections they had, they could surely have kept her at home and gave her a happy life, but she wasn't "perfect" so they didn't.
She was perfect enough to be presented to the Queen of England when she was in her late teens, and her father was our Ambassador, with her sister at her elbow to guide her and make sure she didn't say or do anything weird. She was kept at home until after that, and sort of stumbled her way through a normal life. I don't remember about the lobotomy: I read Teddy Kennedy's memoir or autobiography a year or so ago, but I don't remember quite what he said about her well enough. I think the institutionalization became necessary for some reason or other -- maybe some kind of treatment (like, say, a lobotomy?) Doctors did all kinds of weird things that they talked parents into allowing, on the "doctor knows best" authority. A lot of them thought they were God, and what they said was right, just because they said it. Talk about "insane"!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy
In 1941, when Rosemary was 23, doctors told her father that a new neurosurgical procedure, lobotomy, would help calm her mood swings and sometimes-violent outbursts.[27] At the time, relatively few lobotomies had been performed; James W. Watts, who carried out the procedure with Walter Freeman, described what happened:
"We went through the top of the head, I think she was awake. She had a mild tranquilizer. I made a surgical incision in the brain through the skull. It was near the front. It was on both sides. We just made a small incision, no more than an inch." The instrument Dr. Watts used looked like a butter knife. He swung it up and down to cut brain tissue. "We put an instrument inside," he said. As Dr. Watts cut, Dr. Freeman put questions to Rosemary. For example, he asked her to recite the Lord's Prayer or sing "God Bless America" or count backwards. ... "We made an estimate on how far to cut based on how she responded." ... When she began to become incoherent, they stopped.[28]
Instead of the hoped-for result, Rosemary was left with urinary incontinence and an infantile mentality — staring blankly at walls for hours. Her speech became unintelligible
The general consensus seems to be that her father ordered it done because he was a control freak and thought Rosemary was getting too "out of control," "promiscuous," etc. Today, most of us would see her behavior as simple teenage/adolescent behavior.
Joe Kennedy was a real piece of work anyhow (nazi sympathizer, etc.) But that's another story...
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I was a year old then so it certainly "was around"
Just not recognized. It was called "eccentric". The man who lived alone in a big house with his clocks or the lady who preferred the company of her cats to the neighbors.
There is more of an effort now to diagnose and unfortunately medicate. If not for the push to medicate there would be no need to even try and diagnose. The lady with the cats wasn't hurting anybody nor herself so she didn't require medication, but today she would be under treatment for OCD and antisocial disorders and a dozen other things.
People say to 'spread awareness' of AS to gain compassion and understanding, but it's going the opposite way. The compassion and understanding seems to have been more so decades ago when someone's 'crazy uncle' was just that. He was still loved and still part of the family but it was accepted that he was odd. Today 'crazy uncle' would be more shunned and penalized, cut off from family as they demand he 'get help', take medication, go to therapy, get a socially acceptable hobby and appear mainstream so as not to embarrass them.
That's for adults, anyway. For kids the emphasis is on helping - giving extra help - diagnosing, labeling. It can be a good thing as I wish I'd had understanding and help when I was growing up, but we give all the attention for AS to kids and very little to adults who are still trying to make their way through a confusing world. We've all developed our niche and our ways of coping and our defenses and all, but we're really quite invisible.
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People say to 'spread awareness' of AS to gain compassion and understanding, but it's going the opposite way. The compassion and understanding seems to have been more so decades ago when someone's 'crazy uncle' was just that. He was still loved and still part of the family but it was accepted that he was odd. Today 'crazy uncle' would be more shunned and penalized, cut off from family as they demand he 'get help', take medication, go to therapy, get a socially acceptable hobby and appear mainstream so as not to embarrass them.
Interesting point.
People in general are living more in fear. Fear of everything and anything and anybody. Despite advances in feminism my daughter has less freedom than I did at her age. The only thing that has changed really is television. Fear sells as much or more than sex sells. Any intelligent nerdy kid who has an interest in chemistry is suddenly the Unibomber. Kids can't go outside because there is a child molester lurking under every bush. Anyone who is slightly different is dangerous.
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^^ True. Many are to blame.
Blame media. My local TV news don't actually report news. They air a string of shootings and stabbings and kidnapings. That's "news". It isn't that the world is less safe, it's that the crime is being reported on more and the perception is that the world is less safe. In reality we've never been safer. Imagine going out of town in 1700 or 1800 with all the highwaymen and murderers running amock?
Blame governments and law enforcement for massive MASSIVE overreaction to every little clue and tidbit of information. Neighbor notices air conditioning on in January and calls the cops. Presto! A swat team with drug sniffing dogs will kick in the door.... only to find a computer nerd with a lot of servers in his house.
Blame lawyers for frivolous lawsuits. Blame them for pushing the liability bar so close that everyone is afraid to make a move, lest they cross it and get sued.
Blame marketing people for fear-based advertising. "If you or your loved one!" "Help help I've fallen and I can't get up."
Screw all that.
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Blame media. My local TV news don't actually report news. They air a string of shootings and stabbings and kidnapings. That's "news". It isn't that the world is less safe, it's that the crime is being reported on more and the perception is that the world is less safe. In reality we've never been safer. Imagine going out of town in 1700 or 1800 with all the highwaymen and murderers running amock?
Blame governments and law enforcement for massive MASSIVE overreaction to every little clue and tidbit of information. Neighbor notices air conditioning on in January and calls the cops. Presto! A swat team with drug sniffing dogs will kick in the door.... only to find a computer nerd with a lot of servers in his house.
Blame lawyers for frivolous lawsuits. Blame them for pushing the liability bar so close that everyone is afraid to make a move, lest they cross it and get sued.
Blame marketing people for fear-based advertising. "If you or your loved one!" "Help help I've fallen and I can't get up."
Screw all that.
Where I grew up, before gang violence, you could hear gunshots at least three times a week. We figured it was a guy fighting with his wife and she hot him or he shot her. My mother and grandparents had a police radio and we listened to it all night.
Not every gunshot merited a call to the police. We figured a lot of them were people shooting for the fun of it, or shooting at shomeone and missed.
I do like the sounds of gunshots. especially the rapid fire ones that they used to shoot in the air on new years eve!
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If you love gunshots you should try living near a military base when the resident unit is on maneuvers. I lived near Fort Ord (within walking distance) in late 1989, after the San Francisco earthquake that year but before Operation Just Cause, which they were training for.
My first night was the sound of automatic weapon fire all night. Sensory overload. It was all pretty quiet once the transports took them off to Panama.
Sort of a random bit from the wiki:
I wonder if General Powell foresaw comedians turning it into "Operation Just 'Cause."
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My first night was the sound of automatic weapon fire all night. Sensory overload. It was all pretty quiet once the transports took them off to Panama.
Sort of a random bit from the wiki:
I wonder if General Powell foresaw comedians turning it into "Operation Just 'Cause."
I do like the sound of them, but more random. We would hear them most nights. I also like sirens and train sounds too. Also cars passing by. I lived in what was then called the genteel ghetto, which was where the 'white trash' lived. When I grew up, things were seperated black and white areas. I'm glad they aren't anymore, but where the black people lived was called "the quarters". Oddly enough, the "quarters" were right next to the train tracks. Loving the sound as I did, when my grandmother would drive me over there and threaten to push me out of the car to live there, I readily jumped out! I said "they live next to the train! I can hear it better!" She tore my butt up for that and told me to "act right" after. I obviously didn't.
I do so get that that you just said. Colin Powel, Just cause n***a, please. Cause man, go on! That's Southern speak though not so much African American English.
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http://ezinearticles.com/?History-of-ADHD&id=217254
The nomenclature of observable behavior related to the criteria in the DSMIV applicable to an ADHD diagnosis has changed through time.
Technically, there were no diagnosed cases of ADD or ADHD, 50 years ago, because ADD was created as a diagnosis in 1980, and ADHD was created as a diagnosis in 1987.
When I was born a little over 50 years ago, the doctor described both myself and my sister as hyperactive, that was the only word used to describe a related condition of observable overactive motor activity, at that point in time.
Actual cases that were severe enough to be treated, were somewhere within the range of 150K, in the entire nation.
The doctor wasn't concerned about it at all, and didn't offer any advice one way or the other. The only informal advice I got from anyone for this condition was to slow down and pay attention.
I couldn't talk until I was 4; the doctor said he'll talk when he's ready to, offered no advice one way or the other.
There was probably someone officially diagnosed with Autism, somewhere, in the 60's, in my county, per statistics of 1 in 10,000, actually diagnosed, but the first time I paid any attention to that word was in the 1980's, with the character "Rainman".
When I was in middle school, peers in schools diagnosed other kids as being nerds, geeks, and a variety of other slang terms to describe behaviors related to current identified criteria associated with the current diagnosis of Aspergers Syndrome, created in 1994, in the DSMIV.
Fonzi, from the show "Happy Days", was a key source of information on Nerd awareness in the mainstream media in the 70's. Later came "Revenge of the Nerds" in the 80's.
Anyone out of this group of individuals generally termed as nerds, etc. that was troubled enough to see a psychiatrist, would have likely been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, a personality disorder, or schizophrenia.
Some of these individuals, peer identified as nerds, geeks, etc. ended up in an engineering field, IT field, the medical field, or whatever other niche they could find, to suit their academic strengths.
There were other folks with the same general identifying characteristics of a present day ASD, lacking the same academic skills.
Instead, their enhanced skills were within the visual-spatial realm; they ended up, generally, working with their hands and creative abilities, as mechanics, musicians, artists, etc.
Generally more robust, good motor coordination skills, and potentially more likely to reproduce; but, not much more likely to maintain social relationships; happier working with things rather than people.
The people presently, actually diagnosed with Aspergers, are probably more likely to be involved in social media, than some of these folks.
Obsessive interests, routines, a lack of interest in social interaction, and communication were common elements to many of these folks. However, their special interests allowed them a solitary fulfillment in life that some social oriented folks couldn't handle.
And, if they did have symptoms of what we call ADHD, today, the energy could be focused in a personal area of interest that allowed release of that energy.
In the show Happy Days, the character Fonzi would have probably fit within this criteria, not likely as much need for a diagnosis though, when one is fulfilled in their special interests. Motorcycles were his thing.
From an objective standpoint what can be clearly measured from 50 years ago and now, as to why people were not aware similiar conditions existed in the past is a matter of differences in medical nomenclature, and awareness of those differences of nomenclature through medical industry marketing efforts.
The one thing that definitely has changed, that can be clearly measured is historical percentage of unwed mothers. Birth certificate data measures this statistic accurately through time.
Percentage of unwed mothers are 41% as compared to 28% in a two decade period from 1990 to 2008.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1586/changing-demographic-characteristics-american-mothers
Neuroplasticity is understood as impacting the socio/linguistic/cognitive abilities of individuals living in different cultures. Behavioral differences in these individuals across cultures are evident as well.
As much as our culture, and what we feed our brains from birth has changed in the last 50 years, it is reasonable that the way our brains function have been impacted from this through the process of neuroplasticity.
Older folks have gotten it in incremental doses. Some younger folks have received a megadose from early childhood and it continues on into life.
It's a new area of study, but some of the hypotheses of the changes that may be occuring are associated with autistic like traits; like difficulties in face to face social interaction, empathy, and verbal communication, although not specifically identified as autistic related traits, in the current research, that is being conducted at Harvard.
Neuroplasticity is similiar to neuro-differences, neuro-diversity, however one may want to refer to neuro-change currently observed and measured through behavioral changes. The actual physiological process behind it is hard to identify and measure, just as it is for many individuals diagnosed on the autism spectrum.
The key issue I think, and real area for potential concern, is when neuroplasticity and other physiological adaptations, such as the stress response, can no longer successfully accommodate change, for some, and functionality is compromised.
This phenomenon would not likely be limited to those with a genetic pre-dispostion for an eventual ASD diagnosis. Other hypotheses related to the research include a reduced ablitity to focus, reduced attention span, reduced ability for deep thought, reduced ability for patience, and increased impulsivity.
Much of what some people think they notice more in modern society, but a great deal of research will be needed to confirm actual measurable changes suggested in these hypotheses.
Also, autism wasn't technically a diagnosis until 1980, although some children were diagnosed as "being in autistic withdrawal" before that. These were the furthest down the LFA end of the spectrum, kids who might have benefited from directed communication had such a thing existed then. Before DSM-III, however, "autistic withdrawal" was listed as a symptom of "infantile schizophrenia". My younger sister received treatment for schizophrenia, a disorder she did not have at the time. (She may have been persuaded to believe there were voices by some of her therapists, however.)
And those with disabilities were indeed often shipped off to special schools or institutions - a family friend had a daughter with Down's Syndrome, who was sent to a local boarding school for "ret*d" children. There were efforts made to persuade my mother to send my sister there as well. Thank heavens they failed...
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