Why do so many people on here hate NT's?

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09 Jan 2012, 6:15 am

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I remember this now: some guy with an autistic son or daughter was freaked out by his kid being afraid for no apperent reason - really seriously scared - and a couple of people on this forum (perhaps you?) planted the idea in his head that this kid might be seeing dead people, and this father actually spent money getting a psychic in to do something, yeah I was pissed off - I thought this was a stupid gullible dad doing a stupid gullible thing when there was clearly something psychologically up with his kid and a couple of people on this forum had him look into the paranormal.

It was potentially dangerous advice and I was very upset by it, and I was not the only one.

Phonic.


Yup, like I said....weird, rambling and overemotional. You don't even have the facts straight on this.



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09 Jan 2012, 6:16 am

I'm gonna be a total hypocrite by suggesting this, but perhaps that whole paranormal thing would best be discussed in a PM or something?

Or feel free to say "shut up, Sag." I'll understand.


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09 Jan 2012, 6:17 am

I do not want to receive any PMs dissing my personal beliefs.



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09 Jan 2012, 6:27 am

I would certainly not PM you about it and we will not discuss it further, for the sake of the thread.

Sorry OP.


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09 Jan 2012, 2:18 pm

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"What we have here is a failure to communicate."


No seriously. It's just a lack of understanding on both sides. And negativity is the hallmark of the Internet, anyhow. If you want to see the other side, NTs hating on Aspies, try checking out your average Delphi forum or whatever that is made to support NT spouses of AS folk. Truth be told, I've seen far nastier stuff on places like that than here.

All that said, the solution on all sides is education. More education for NTs on AS, and more education for AS folk on how to interact successfully with NTs.


delphi forum, is it any worse then the conquer online forum were they post racist topics and bully each other on an hourly basis, i'm not sure there isn't a topic they wouldn't whine about.

but yeah i got that getting pounced on feeling alot, where i didn't even say i have a bit of a handicap or anything it's like they can tell in my posts or how i word things that i am strange.


Well, what I'm referring to is a support group for NT spouses married to AS folk. What it had turned into was essentially nonstop demonization of AS people as horrible spouses, parents, people, etc. I could understand the why of it to a degree: a lot of these folk were in bad marriages and going through hell and thus very bitter. I stumbled upon it and others like it trying to find a site with tips on dealing with AS issues in marriage( my wife and I are doing well together, but I'm always up for finding ways to improve things).

Truthfully, even if this forum did nothing but hate on NTs, I think it'd still be dwarfed by the amount of forums/posters on the opposite end of the spectrum, simply because there's a larger population of angry/upset NTs who have relationships with AS people than there are AS folk willing to post on a message board.


yeah, in a global outlook we are looked down on by others, i wasn't trying to offend. i just view the conquer online as the baseline worst forum i have seen.

not that it is the only one, but it is sad that forums exist to spread hate, even if it was not meant for it. forums are to have conversation, and it sucks that some go bad like that. i can see if you are in a bad relationship you need support. but the fact that someone is handicaped doesn't mean jack. there are plenty of couples in bad relationships and both can be nts. it has to do with your personality.

the fact that people attack one another for stupid reasons can and will always baffle me.


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09 Jan 2012, 2:25 pm

It does seem like a large majority of neurotypicals truly know autism/asperger's only if it hits home (have afflicted family members, it's their job, if they take a plethora of pyschology courses relating to autism/asperger's, etc.), but I don't think that every neurotypical needs to learn about these two disorders to be empathetic; however, empathy and understanding don't necessarily go together. Because of that, I would assume that one would really need to be both knowledgeable and empathetic to grasp these disorders. Instead, people make false assumptions (stereotypes) because of what they see and hear about them from a nonreliable source (e.g. Rain man).

But for us to expect them to be knowledgeable and empathetic, we must also be knowledgeable and empathetic to people different from ourselves. It's only fair.


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09 Jan 2012, 2:46 pm

Ria1989 wrote:
It does seem like a large majority of neurotypicals truly know autism/asperger's only if it hits home (have afflicted family members, it's their job, if they take a plethora of pyschology courses relating to autism/asperger's, etc.), but I don't think that every neurotypical needs to learn about these two disorders to be empathetic; however, empathy and understanding don't necessarily go together. Because of that, I would assume that one would really need to be both knowledgeable and empathetic to grasp these disorders. Instead, people make false assumptions (stereotypes) because of what they see and hear about them from a nonreliable source (e.g. Rain man).

But for us to expect them to be knowledgeable and empathetic, we must also be knowledgeable and empathetic to people different from ourselves. It's only fair.


i agree but when you offer respect and get none in return [not talking about wrong planet] it tends to hurt any chance of giving a crap about any of them. nowadays i can't trust any other place besides this one. we do debate and argue. and i love to debate but the nts on other forums strike way to low.


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09 Jan 2012, 3:25 pm

I hate that.
It feels like people are just being resentful.
a lot of nts have helped me. :/



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09 Jan 2012, 3:44 pm

Jetfox wrote:
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It does seem like a large majority of neurotypicals truly know autism/asperger's only if it hits home (have afflicted family members, it's their job, if they take a plethora of pyschology courses relating to autism/asperger's, etc.), but I don't think that every neurotypical needs to learn about these two disorders to be empathetic; however, empathy and understanding don't necessarily go together. Because of that, I would assume that one would really need to be both knowledgeable and empathetic to grasp these disorders. Instead, people make false assumptions (stereotypes) because of what they see and hear about them from a nonreliable source (e.g. Rain man).

But for us to expect them to be knowledgeable and empathetic, we must also be knowledgeable and empathetic to people different from ourselves. It's only fair.


i agree but when you offer respect and get none in return [not talking about wrong planet] it tends to hurt any chance of giving a crap about any of them. nowadays i can't trust any other place besides this one. we do debate and argue. and i love to debate but the nts on other forums strike way to low.


Definitely. In my opinion, which is in no way correct, I think that talking on particular forums is pointless. I feel like some people go on those forums because they are fairly agressive beings, and that's a way for them to vent their anger toward different people from themselves. It's animalistic in my mind. I don't think that one can adequately get their point across if people are replying with "you're a loser" or "you're a fat ugly person who needs to die". A lot of those people get hurt by other peoples' comments and they're even neurotypicals! They do it to themselves and who the heck knows why. It doesn't solve anything! But that's the point, many people don't want to solve problems that aren't relatable to their own. That's just how I see it.

I'm thinking in real life scenarios, and not over computers, can one talk to a targeted group of people and experience more empathy in return. The problem is, no one knows how people will react when you explain to them about your symptoms and how it affects you negatively. There will always be a chance that people won't care, but I think that there's a chance that some people will. After all the news reports about autistic students being bullied by teachers and peers, many people who read these articles are becoming aware of their maltreatment. Every little thing is helping.....even if it still seems unbearable at the moment.


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09 Jan 2012, 3:47 pm

I think that resentment has a lot to do with it. I was like that when I first joined in 2004. I got over that in 2007 when I became friends with NTs. I'm still friends with those people today.


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09 Jan 2012, 3:48 pm

NaomiDB wrote:
I hate that.
It feels like people are just being resentful.
a lot of nts have helped me. :/


my anger is justified i feel, besides i only refer to the ones i don't like as nts. and that list gets longer every day.

i use it as an insult. my bro is normal per-say, and he's a good person and just fun to hang out with. alot of his friends are respectful of me, they joke around and tease but it's all in good healthy fun. but honestly they pick on one another alot, but in the end of the day they are all friends still. my bro has a few people who hate him, his friend's girlfriend is like that. i have no clue why and honestly i'd like to ram a pipe through her skull, when others attack my family i don't tolerate that one bit. she's lucky we never met, cause i would have ran her through with the first thing i could grab.

my parents i get frusterated with them but what person doesn't argue at least once with family. my dad would do anything to keep me safe, even though he does have a short temper. he does care, he just shows it differently. and i often misinterpret him. my mom does whatever possible to keep things in the house so we all live together better. doesn't always work but we are only human.

other then that i don't know much beyond our property. but there were a few people who were considered normal that helped me through life, my second kindergarten teacher. the friends i made i school, though few i could trust them at the time with whatever i shared with them.

but i'm not a good example as i don't do much beyond my four walls, i have met people i liked and hated in real life and the net. but there are more i hate on the net, i only have found a handful of others worth wasting time to get to know other then wrongplanet, wp is the only beacon of hope.


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09 Jan 2012, 4:13 pm

I can only speak for myself:

I do not hate (the majority of) NT's. I *blame* them, for making my life, our lives, so difficult. For creating a society where anyone outside their norms is an outcast who must do their best to fit in or be shunned. For getting sand kicked in my face nine times, before I find that tenth person who actually cares enough to help and support me. (And even that sometimes in a patronizing way).

What it boils down to is that some people just get so many bad experiences that it's a large enough sample size to be able to make a generalization.



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09 Jan 2012, 4:30 pm

Reynaert wrote:
I can only speak for myself:

I do not hate (the majority of) NT's. I *blame* them, for making my life, our lives, so difficult. For creating a society where anyone outside their norms is an outcast who must do their best to fit in or be shunned. For getting sand kicked in my face nine times, before I find that tenth person who actually cares enough to help and support me. (And even that sometimes in a patronizing way).

What it boils down to is that some people just get so many bad experiences that it's a large enough sample size to be able to make a generalization.


i hate, only because that is the best word the only one that comes close to how i feel.

but yeah like i'm not to fond of dogs, because i haven't met many that i could stand for more then 2 seconds, the fact that my cat was attacked by a dog didn't start it but was just another reason to hate them.

but yeah almost everything in the world is built from a social view point, the only thing that really is more solo is being a truck driver, which honestly i think i could do fine in that line of work. no one to b***h at me for things i have no control over, no one to nit pick about every damn flaw i have. it would be nice but i think it would be hard to get all my electronics into one with a big sleeper cab, and i have no guarantee that i will always have the internet.

without that i couldn't play half my games.


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09 Jan 2012, 5:01 pm

I don't hate NTs. They're great. All of my family are NTs, and I love them. All of my friends (except 2 of them) are NTs and I love them (and the 2 non-NTs). The man I have a crush on is NT and I love him (and hoping to have some sexual relationships in the not too distant future). And I don't have anything against NTs.

I am only against people who are nasty to me, but that could mean anybody, not just because they're NT. I was bullied by a non-NT, and I truly hate her and I do not want to be friends with her again. I'm just against people who take advantage of my sweet nature and bully me and make me feel insignificant - especially if they're really popular and have got loads of friends, and so they look down on unsociable mugs like me and decide to target me for it, and yet they still get liked by other people and will always have more friends than I ever have or ever will. That's who I'm against, whether they're NTs or not.

But I'm not against NTs in general. But I'm not the type to entirely seperate myself from NTs. I am no better or worse than most other people so I'm not going to be closed-minded about it.


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09 Jan 2012, 5:29 pm

I think that when a lot of people here (including me) talk about "NTs" they're referring to "normal people" rather than all non-aspies, because that's clearly what the term suggests. There are plenty of non-autistic folk that are far less "neurologically typical" than most aspies, so I think that if we're going to have a term to refer to all non-ASD types then we should really use something less demeaning.

Regardless of what term we use, I've hated normal people my whole life (not all of them, mostly just the adolescents). I don't think I even am an aspie, it's just my hatred of normalcy that drove me to act that way. That said, I don't believe it is their nature for normal people to be such as*holes, rather it's our sick society that supports and encourages such behavior by forcing us all to co-exist with as*holes, allowing their influence to spread like a virus.



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09 Jan 2012, 5:44 pm

A lot of NTs discriminate against people on the autistic spectrum. They can expect to be treated by as as they themselves treat us.

Personally, I've met a lot of NTs who know I have Asperger's and haven't been a dick at all, and it goes without saying that hating such a large group of people is illogical because they're all different people.

However, if one is referring specifically to NTs who hate on Aspies, I believe they are justified in hating them right back.