My Theory of Asperger's and it's Root Cause

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Do you buy into this theory? (Read entire post before voting)
100% - Yes, I agree with you, that must be the root cause of Asperger's 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
75% - Most likely true, but there may be other causes as well. 17%  17%  [ 10 ]
50% - I am not sure, you may be right, or you may be wrong. 31%  31%  [ 18 ]
25% - There is some truth to what you are saying, but most likely it is something else. 50%  50%  [ 29 ]
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26 Mar 2012, 1:32 pm

I am thinking myself, that Autism is how we relate to the world, after some radical wiring or re-wiring of the brain has happened. Before birth or in the first couple of years.
Thus, it is probably not ONE area of the brain that works differently, but several.
Again, we do not fully understand the NORMAL workings of our brains & certainly not our minds as of yet.

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26 Mar 2012, 2:22 pm

CrazyCatLord wrote:
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You are halfway there. Autism is indeed caused by insufficient communication between different parts of the brain, but not in the way that you think. The human brain consists of more than just two parts. We have a so-called triune brain with three main regions that have evolved at different times in the history of animal life. Below is a very simplified schematic:

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The reptilian complex is the oldest structure and controls muscle functi ... blah blah blah boring conversation anyway LUKE WERE GONNA HAVE COMP... ection between the hemispheres that causes AS, but rather a poor connection between the frontal lobe and the remaining brain.

M. Murias et al disovered that in people with Asperger's, the frontal lobe has weak functional connections with the rest of the cortex, whereas there is an overconnectivity within the frontal lobe itself (link). According to Murias, this could result in "local, rather than global information processing". This explains both the increased intelligence in some individuals with AS as well as our poor emotional competence and motor control. I suppose that the main difference between AS and classic autism is a better neural connectivity between the frontal lobe and the left cortical hemisphere, which controls speech and language.


"Reptilian Brain?" I want what your smoking.
However, the point you make about the frontal lobe makes alot of sense, perhaps it is an even better theory than my own, I will take that into consideration.
However, evolution is simply wrong.


The term reptilian brain might seem hilarious to you, but that's what the evolutionary oldest part of the brain is commonly called. You can also refer to it as the R-complex, short for reptilian complex, or the cerebellum and the basal ganglia if you like that better. I strongly suggest that you educate yourself on a topic before you start to hypothesize about it. But if you outright reject scientific knowledge, such as evolution, dabbling in the natural sciences is a futile effort for you anyway.

PS: I'd appreciate it if you didn't falsify my quotes. I never wrote anything like "blah blah blah boring conversation anyway LUKE WERE GONNA HAVE COMP". What does the last part even mean? If you want to shorten a quote, just leave the remaining text out or replace it with an ellipsis.

PPS: The next time I come across a "theory" like this, I won't mistake it for a semi-educated debate and truth seeking effort, and invest this much time in an attempt to contribute something worthwhile. I should have simply shot you down for not having the slightest clue what you're talking about, like kojot did.

It's called "humor."


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13 Mar 2013, 7:16 pm

I Have always found that meditation is helpful for improving social skills and in controlling my own thought patterns and responses. The reason for this effect of meditation is because it increases brain connectivity between both left to right hemispheres, and vertically throughout the different levels of brain. Meditation increases white matter and grey matter!. If meditation has a beneficial affect on aspergers then this is positive evidence of a global connectivity problem in the brain, and a there is already a method to help with the limiting aspects of aspergers for many people.



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13 Mar 2013, 9:06 pm

I have to agree with you here, I find meditation is helpful too. I try to meditate at least once a day, usually I end up not but on some days where I meditate for a long time, I find I'm mentally clear for the next two days! My thoughts seem flow and I can articulate my words very well and my mind has a kind balanced feel -my thoughts seem to effortlessly flow more often.


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13 Mar 2013, 9:18 pm

The visual design of this image is supposed to help balance the right/left hemispheres of your brain if you stare at it for a long period of time. Feel free to use it.

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14 Mar 2013, 10:03 am

I think it's onto something. I know someone who did stem cell treatment for damaged white matter (between the hemispheres) and basically got better



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14 Mar 2013, 12:16 pm

I think it's an interesting idea. It has been brought up before, but there are instances of people who have surgically cut the corpus callosum to prevent epileptic seizures and the resulting side effects do not result in autistic psychological qualities.

http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/guide/corpus-callosotomy



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28 Mar 2013, 2:23 pm

How come there is no option for 0% NO? To disagree No



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28 Mar 2013, 4:20 pm

I don't think the communication between the left/right brain is necessarily deficient - just different.

As for "theory of mind" and our apparent lack thereof? I think that has primarily to do with wiring differences. I for one initially tried projecting my own mode of thinking onto other people, and while this method often works for NT's, my brain is just too different than most people's for that to work! The "theory of mind" that I've developed to date was done by a much more difficult and time-consuming method akin to studying the behavior of a species other than my own. I had to learn the "NT ways" of thinking by rote.

I think the mechanism that's "supposed" to use theory of mind works perfectly fine. But because the whole brain is wired differently, the "algorithm" that works for NT's doesn't work for Aspies!

So when I apply "theory of mind" to a NT (as best I can), I'm most likely using a different part of my brain than most people use! I don't know this for sure; nobody's scanned my brain.

It's one reason I'd like to have my brain donated to science when I die, so neuroscientists can reverse engineer it.


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28 Mar 2013, 4:43 pm

rdos wrote:
Any theory that proposes that the central issue in AS is a dysfunction is wrong with 100% confidence. This cannot be so, as AS is much to common to primarily be a dysfunction. So I'll select the 0% alternative.


To play devil's advocate, it's still just a difference if you want to be objective. "Difference" applies even more easily to what CrazyCatLord described since there was more connectivity in one area and less in another.

But now I must pause and laugh at the OP for not believing in evolution.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And as for the idea, I see where you would get that idea but you clearly haven't done your homework, so 0%.



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28 Mar 2013, 4:45 pm

I said 50%, btw. There's most likely something at work about left/right brain communication, and even if not, it's probably a communication difference between SOME two (or more) parts of the brain. I just doubt it's a "deficiency."


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28 Mar 2013, 7:53 pm

I read an article that said autopsies on people with Asperger's and low-functioning autism found that Asperger people had smaller, immature amygdalas and normal hippocampuses (hippocampi?). The reverse was the case for the L.F. autistic people.


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30 Mar 2013, 5:47 am

I think in my case, being a schizo-aspie (SA) has its advantages and disadvantages.
being on the left and right side of the spectrum demands alot of attention to the detail and
at times can be draining and energy consuming. you wanna say something and its almost as if
someone can see you struggling, so they dish out a backlash in order not to contrast the ordeal in
which you are facing but moreover, the place in society has got a more neutral understanding
and solitude of events past and present, (whichever suits your natural persona best), to withstand
cultural aspects and dignitaries seen in our lives today. aspergers has just one disability, the problem to
single out events too readily without identifying possible cliches whereas sps have no problem in underlying
a root cause deemed whether or not to fail in the residual state of peoples minds.
So, what do i think? you may ask the qst, but never undermine the potential root cause.



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30 Mar 2013, 6:03 am

What a load of bull, you clearly know nothing about neuroscience.

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"Reptilian Brain?" I want what your smoking.

Sigh. :?



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30 Mar 2013, 9:56 am

'Evolution is simply wrong"?

Okay.

If you say so.



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30 Mar 2013, 10:39 am

My theory is:

Mirror Neurons.

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Mirror_neurons

Essentially these are the structures that enable people to socialize/empathize and are hardwired into our learning/developmental stages.

Dysfunction in the mirror neuron system can very well be responsible for basically every AS trait. The fascinating and insidious part of this is that it is a series of developmental problems.. when the brain does not have the ability to do X it compensates during growth to adapt.

For example,

NT: From age 0 to 6 child picks up verbal cues and body language queues from adults. Thus they pick up voice modulation, body language decoding and all aspects of inter-social tools.

AS: From age 0 to 6 the mirror neuron system does not pick up verbal cues or body language from adults. Result is little to no voice modulation (monotone voice), difficulty in instantly deciphering body language and all other inter-social tools. The brain adapts at that early age by shunting audio/visual input processing from the mirror neuron system directly into the cognitive centers (basically your forehead region).

In short, rather than using the mirror neuron system to generate an instant virtual reality recreation of the audiovisual input so it is processed faster by the emotional centers of the brain, it re-allocates most of the input into the cognitive regions to decode it.

...which could be a strong indicator why AS/HFA brain studies show this population has a denser (more neurons per volume) and enlarged areas near the rear end of the cognitive region...right where the mirror neuron network 'plugs in'.

As the person grows older the NT reliance on their fully functional mirror neuron system is reflected into the way they create their world..social structures, interactions, etc. The AS brain oth, ends up in a parallel but different world within but physically existing in the NT world. This causes more adaptation within the brain (late childhood/early teens) towards higher cognitive processing requirements....and it is in this time period when AS is quite noticeable in its traits... as it is a social-skills developing time that requires instant-mirror neuron functions...which the AS mind does not have access to.

This is where the AS person misses out on the social life skills.

Motor function issues and spatial orientation issues could be co-morbid with mirror neuron dysfunction. It could very well be (and im just guessing here) that HFA autism itself is separate from AS in the sense that AS is purely mirror neuron dysfunction while HFA is mirror neuron dysfunction plus whatever causes autism.

There is one case of an AS man having electric pulses shot directly down his mirror neuron pathways and it temporarily allowing him to experience empathy and instant-recognition of social audio-visual input for a very short time.

I do not believe the AS symptoms are caused by the bridge between the two brain hemispheres. If that was the case then a lot, a lot more problems would be present since this 'bridge' connects and transfers basically every function of the brain back and forth. If you had a problem there you'd basically be lobotomized in some way.