Getting diagnosed in the US
Bingo. Maybe by "productive citizens" they mean joining the military and becoming "productive" killing machines for the Republican's four trillion dollar war against Iraq.
Here you go. ----> WP politics forum where you can bash any party you want and it will actually be germane to the threads
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[citation needed]
Google: "85% unemployment for aspies" About 8,270 results
Is that enough citation for you?
If you Google 85%, you're only going to get results that say 85%.
Furthermore, those results all seem to have different versions of that statistic (ie. one says "85% in the U.K.", one says "It is estimated that 85%...", etc...)
None of these pages seemed to reference an actual academic source for this statistic.
So, as I said before... [citation needed]
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Ataraxis, try http://www.idahoasg.org/MedicalResources.html. i had to call around a few places by me and a psychologist that deals with children with autism pointed me in the right direction for adult diagnosis.
as far as those that question why someone needs a professional diagnosis, please understand that NOT knowing one way or the other is a big issue for some of us. when i first suspected i had aspergers, i became obsessed with getting a definitive answer from a professional. i completely function in black and white, and personally saw self-diagnosis as a grey area that i was not comfortable with. in my case i wasn't looking for assistance of any type, i simply HAD TO KNOW. call it OCD or whatever you will, but i couldn't let it go.
while i've been very fortunate in my life to have a successful career and supportive wife, the diagnosis allowed me to understand some of the ways i uniquely function.
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[citation needed]
Google: "85% unemployment for aspies" About 8,270 results
Is that enough citation for you?
If you Google 85%, you're only going to get results that say 85%.
Furthermore, those results all seem to have different versions of that statistic (ie. one says "85% in the U.K.", one says "It is estimated that 85%...", etc...)
None of these pages seemed to reference an actual academic source for this statistic.
So, as I said before... [citation needed]
Well I'll see what I can do about that...
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Please don't take offense at what I said. I didn't mean you specifically. I just meant that at least it's not completely disabling for all of us. I realize there are an awful lot of people on the spectrum that really aren't functional enough for the work force. I know a few of those people, and I don't feel that they're lazy-- they do what they can.
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I suspect there are lots of people with AS who are unemployed who could be extremely competent and productive, but just couldn't leap the discriminatory barriers in education and employment. In some cases I don't think this is even a case of severity, but simply pure chance in terms of environment.
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I suspect there are lots of people with AS who are unemployed who could be extremely competent and productive, but just couldn't leap the discriminatory barriers in education and employment. In some cases I don't think this is even a case of severity, but simply pure chance in terms of environment.
I can function in a supportive, peaceful environment........but realistically that does not describe most jobs.
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I got DXed because I was cracking under the pressure of my job, so I dragged my sorry self to the mental health office and the clinical psychologist told me I have AS.
I do not have a "difference" or a "personality type." I have a disability. I think I can work, and I dearly hope I can work, but, if it turns out I crash and burn in the civilian world, I don't "owe" anybody anything. Disability checks are just a "tax on a***holes." Hiring people in wheelchairs too inconvenient? Great. You can throw a few pennies their way on account of your being a moron.
Anyway, "Asperger's Disorder" was originally conceived as.......well...a disorder. The fact that some people now see it as just another word for "introverted geek" is completely beside the point. If you were/are diagnosable with AS, then that implies you have some sort of impairment (or it should....I don't agree with DXing people with mental disorders just so they can feel like they "belong" to a community).
Oh, and brains are physical. Brain problems are therefore PHYSICAL problems. There's no separation between "brain" and "body."
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I do not have a "difference" or a "personality type." I have a disability. I think I can work, and I dearly hope I can work, but, if it turns out I crash and burn in the civilian world, I don't "owe" anybody anything. Disability checks are just a "tax on a***holes." Hiring people in wheelchairs too inconvenient? Great. You can throw a few pennies their way on account of your being a moron.
Anyway, "Asperger's Disorder" was originally conceived as.......well...a disorder. The fact that some people now see it as just another word for "introverted geek" is completely beside the point. If you were/are diagnosable with AS, then that implies you have some sort of impairment (or it should....I don't agree with DXing people with mental disorders just so they can feel like they "belong" to a community).
Oh, and brains are physical. Brain problems are therefore PHYSICAL problems. There's no separation between "brain" and "body."
all in all +1
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http://www.autismcenter.org/documents/o ... sprint.pdf was a terrific read. It looks like a huge project putting that together. I especially liked the second part about architecture. I can't imagine living in an institution though... even if everything is thought out and built considering my sensibilities and hangups.
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http://www.autismcenter.org/documents/o ... sprint.pdf was a terrific read. It looks like a huge project putting that together. I especially liked the second part about architecture. I can't imagine living in an institution though... even if everything is thought out and built considering my sensibilities and hangups.
I'm glad you enjoyed it. I posted the link to help max out with the citation but you're right it is a very interesting read. Pretty impressive group they put together for this too.
P.S. Your gallery is awesome! My favorites were Born Again, A Mask, Nature Walk, Whose Woods Are These, and Redlight.
Twenty years ago the system would have come up with a different diagnosis for Aspergers, and twenty years before that yet another one.... etc. The mental health types are quick to throw around labels but they really don't know what to do with a whole lot of cases, and that includes Aspergers. I am in my fifties, and I thought that autism was for very legitimately serious cases, such as those who just sit there, not speaking, and are way out of touch with "reality" That surely doesn't apply to what seems to be the large majority of people here.
Ataraxis, try http://www.idahoasg.org/MedicalResources.html. i had to call around a few places by me and a psychologist that deals with children with autism pointed me in the right direction for adult diagnosis.
as far as those that question why someone needs a professional diagnosis, please understand that NOT knowing one way or the other is a big issue for some of us. when i first suspected i had aspergers, i became obsessed with getting a definitive answer from a professional. i completely function in black and white, and personally saw self-diagnosis as a grey area that i was not comfortable with. in my case i wasn't looking for assistance of any type, i simply HAD TO KNOW. call it OCD or whatever you will, but i couldn't let it go.
while i've been very fortunate in my life to have a successful career and supportive wife, the diagnosis allowed me to understand some of the ways i uniquely function.
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