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13 Jun 2012, 10:14 am

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However, I've noticed that with some strains/qualities the feelings of panic, fear, and especially discomfort seem to intensify. I can't remember which is which but I think I like the type that gives less of an effect on my body and more of a mental effect. My body already feels out-of-place so making it feel even weirder isn't something I really want to happen.


The sativa dominant strains are the ones that give you more of a mental high, indica dominant strains affect your body more, the general rule is sativa = high, indica = stoned.

Most strains are sativa/indica hybrids or indica dominant.

Sativa strains are much harder to cultivate properly and take a lot longer to finish, so there's generally less of that in circulation. It's more common for you guys in the US, since it's actually legal to grow some places.

Here in scandinavia it's nearly impossible to get hold of sativa strains, you need a proper setup (lights, ventilation, timers, humidity, fertilizer etc) all working together in the optimal range to produce sativa.

But anyway, I digress.... I grew a couple of plants last winter and turned my aspie-focus to the theory of weed growing, heheh... :)



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13 Jun 2012, 10:33 am

Fluke83 wrote:
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However, I've noticed that with some strains/qualities the feelings of panic, fear, and especially discomfort seem to intensify. I can't remember which is which but I think I like the type that gives less of an effect on my body and more of a mental effect. My body already feels out-of-place so making it feel even weirder isn't something I really want to happen.


The sativa dominant strains are the ones that give you more of a mental high, indica dominant strains affect your body more, the general rule is sativa = high, indica = stoned.

Most strains are sativa/indica hybrids or indica dominant.

Sativa strains are much harder to cultivate properly and take a lot longer to finish, so there's generally less of that in circulation. It's more common for you guys in the US, since it's actually legal to grow some places.

Here in scandinavia it's nearly impossible to get hold of sativa strains, you need a proper setup (lights, ventilation, timers, humidity, fertilizer etc) all working together in the optimal range to produce sativa.

But anyway, I digress.... I grew a couple of plants last winter and turned my aspie-focus to the theory of weed growing, heheh... :)


If I can't get stoned off my weed there is something wrong...but I guess different people have different descriptions of these things. Or maybe its just that I like strains with a good indica and sativia effect and that is mostly what I end up getting ahold of so it has both effects at the same time. Anyways as far as I know there is no pure sativia or indica strains just kinds that might be more sativia than indica and vice versa. If i have to choose between more sativia or more indica I would go with more indica as I guess I like a bit of a sedative effect which indica has.


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13 Jun 2012, 11:31 am

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I basically drink myself to sleep 9 out of 10 days. I force myself to quit for weeks or even months at a time (usually when I am particularly poor in the winter, I am a gardener and dont work much in that season) but there have been many a morning I have woken up realizing that I had put an insane amount of money and time into alcohol spanning the last few months. Where did those months go exactly? What was that money used for?

Anyways it is clear to me now that I have been using it as a coping method.


Well, you know what work is in front of you. You can put it off 'til tomorrow. Unless tomorrow is the day you can't stop, so there's always today.

What worked for me is I found myself a devouring special interest and just dove in.


When I do not drink that is exactly what I do. I go on piano binges or write business plans.



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13 Jun 2012, 12:09 pm

I drink here and there. I enjoy it but don't like the wasted calories and worried of getting drunk so I keep it in check.

I use cannabis almost daily. It is my evening pick me up. Since it is illegal where I live I don't have access to a consistent form. I can't use it during the day because one day I'll be in perfect balance the next completely stoned out of my mind.



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13 Jun 2012, 3:15 pm

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I haven't had a drink in over 15 years. I used to drink A LOT starting from when I was around 13 to my early 20's. I tried the AA thing but the hand holding in a circle, and the fact that it seemed like a cult to me, creeped me out so I only went two times. Every time I wanted a drink I would think of that creepy AA meeting and I wouldn't want to drink. I can't even say I've craved it very much in all these years. Now the thought and smell of it are repulsive to me. I guess in a strange way AA did help me quit :lol:

I did start using cannabis though 4 or 5 years ago and let me tell you, as someone very experienced with alcohol, cannabis is MUCH better for your body. No black outs, hangovers, puking, fried liver, etc,. In fact my back hurt for years because of muscle tension from anxiety. It's gone now. The cannabis also helps me to not fixate on things. When I started using it I had no idea that it would have this effect but the difference is very noticeable to me. Fixation is a pretty big deal for me. I'm also not on edge all the time and snappy.


Well first off 15 years? damn that is a long time to go without a drink at least from my perspective, but I can't say its a bad thing you have gone that long without it. Anyways Cannabis has a lot less negative side effects...I mean most negative side effects come from smoking it not the cannabanoids. I admit I do smoke it knowing this but hey, I don't have an MMJ card so I don't typically have access to edibles nor can I afford enough cannabis to make them myself.


Might want to read this "Casual Marijuana Smoking Not Harmful to Lungs".

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=casual-marijuana-smoking



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13 Jun 2012, 3:34 pm

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I haven't had a drink in over 15 years. I used to drink A LOT starting from when I was around 13 to my early 20's. I tried the AA thing but the hand holding in a circle, and the fact that it seemed like a cult to me, creeped me out so I only went two times. Every time I wanted a drink I would think of that creepy AA meeting and I wouldn't want to drink. I can't even say I've craved it very much in all these years. Now the thought and smell of it are repulsive to me. I guess in a strange way AA did help me quit :lol:

I did start using cannabis though 4 or 5 years ago and let me tell you, as someone very experienced with alcohol, cannabis is MUCH better for your body. No black outs, hangovers, puking, fried liver, etc,. In fact my back hurt for years because of muscle tension from anxiety. It's gone now. The cannabis also helps me to not fixate on things. When I started using it I had no idea that it would have this effect but the difference is very noticeable to me. Fixation is a pretty big deal for me. I'm also not on edge all the time and snappy.


Well first off 15 years? damn that is a long time to go without a drink at least from my perspective, but I can't say its a bad thing you have gone that long without it. Anyways Cannabis has a lot less negative side effects...I mean most negative side effects come from smoking it not the cannabanoids. I admit I do smoke it knowing this but hey, I don't have an MMJ card so I don't typically have access to edibles nor can I afford enough cannabis to make them myself.


Might want to read this "Casual Marijuana Smoking Not Harmful to Lungs".

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=casual-marijuana-smoking


I am well aware that smoking cannabis is not nearly as harmful as smoking cigarettes, I was only suggesting most damage it does do would come from smoking it, that link basically just confirms that more. I was not implying its bad or wrong to smoke it, just that its the only way it can possibly do physical damage. The cannabanoids do not damage the brain or body.


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13 Jun 2012, 5:47 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
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Might want to read this "Casual Marijuana Smoking Not Harmful to Lungs".

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=casual-marijuana-smoking


Thanks a ton for the read.



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13 Jun 2012, 6:11 pm

Hello, I'm a 28 yo alcoholic diagnosed with AS. Roughly 10 years ago when I was 18, I was forced into going to AA meetings by my parents. They meant well but little did they know that going to meetings was almost worse than being sober. I quickly was taught that if I didnt attend meetings than I wouldnt stay sober. I believed that and during the last 10 years would attend meetings just long enough for emotional turmoil to stop. Now I have over 90 days clean and sober and the only AA meeting I've been to in this 90 days was the one they held in the jail I was at for 26 days. I count jail time as sobriety because I could've got some jailhouse wine they were making in there. I'm not against AA and have had alot of good experiences with it, but for right now I won't go. I was big into drinking but even bigger into over the counter cough medicine......not nyquil but straight dextromethorphan. It was nothing for me to go through 80 pills in a day or 6 or 7 four oz bottles.


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13 Jun 2012, 6:14 pm

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Hello, I'm a 28 yo alcoholic diagnosed with AS. Roughly 10 years ago when I was 18, I was forced into going to AA meetings by my parents. They meant well but little did they know that going to meetings was almost worse than being sober. I quickly was taught that if I didnt attend meetings than I wouldnt stay sober. I believed that and during the last 10 years would attend meetings just long enough for emotional turmoil to stop. Now I have over 90 days clean and sober and the only AA meeting I've been to in this 90 days was the one they held in the jail I was at for 26 days. I count jail time as sobriety because I could've got some jailhouse wine they were making in there. I'm not against AA and have had alot of good experiences with it, but for right now I won't go. I was big into drinking but even bigger into over the counter cough medicine......not nyquil but straight dextromethorphan. It was nothing for me to go through 80 pills in a day or 6 or 7 four oz bottles.


Dude, congrats on being off that s**t. Please stay off it. Just remember the havoc it caused in your life every time you get an urge.



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15 Jun 2012, 9:28 pm

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Been interesting to consider the threads between the two in my 52 years. Booze certainly produced a more social me, at least at first, but, the usual disaster for every alcoholic . . . how do asperger alcoholics approach recovery? Is AA an option for any of "us"?


I've been looking for a thread on this topic, so thanks for starting this. I am presently going on five years sober in Alcoholics Anonymous. I drank alcoholically for 25 years, interrupted by five years in which I stopped boozing through sheer willpower. (In AA they call someone like that a "dry drunk" -- abstinent but just as if not more irritable and pissed off than before.) I was recently surprised to learn that all along I've been a member of another AA -- autism/Asperger's. I drank to tranquilize myself. Drinking did not make me more sociable. I did most of it for years in a very compulsive, secretive way. I recall going with a "normie" (AA slang for "normal") friend to bars. He'd have one drink and go off and talk to girls. I'd pound several drinks by my lonesome, get hammered, and talk to no one. Some of the messages posted to this thread so far reveal a misunderstanding of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous). For one thing, it's not a religious program at all, but rather spiritual -- there is a significant difference. The program strives to save self-centered people foolish or crazy enough to consciously ruin their health and lives, not to mention the lives of loved ones, by regular ingestion of a poison. It's been saving lives around the world for decades and in that respect has been spectacularly successful. All the handshaking and hugging and smiling and references to God, etc., seemed really weird to me at first, as did the importance placed on "getting a sponsor." Until I was recently diagnosed as being on the spectrum, I wondered why I still felt different than everyone else in AA meetings. Reading the book, going to meetings, talking regularly to my sponsor (simply a kind person with years in the program who is interested in helping others, which in turn helps him), participating in running meetings, and socializing with AA people after and outside of meetings, has helped me grow as a person and learn how to better survive in this alien world. (You really don't have to hug people if you don't want to.) I would urge anyone on the spectrum who is also suffering from addiction to alcohol to get over your doubts and fears and give Alcoholics Anonymous a try.



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15 Jun 2012, 9:28 pm

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Been interesting to consider the threads between the two in my 52 years. Booze certainly produced a more social me, at least at first, but, the usual disaster for every alcoholic . . . how do asperger alcoholics approach recovery? Is AA an option for any of "us"?


I've been looking for a thread on this topic, so thanks for starting this. I am presently going on five years sober in Alcoholics Anonymous. I drank alcoholically for 25 years, interrupted by five years in which I stopped boozing through sheer willpower. (In AA they call someone like that a "dry drunk" -- abstinent but just as if not more irritable and pissed off than before.) I was recently surprised to learn that all along I've been a member of another AA -- autism/Asperger's. I drank to tranquilize myself. Drinking did not make me more sociable. I did most of it for years in a very compulsive, secretive way. I recall going with a "normie" (AA slang for "normal") friend to bars. He'd have one drink and go off and talk to girls. I'd pound several drinks by my lonesome, get hammered, and talk to no one. Some of the messages posted to this thread so far reveal a misunderstanding of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous). For one thing, it's not a religious program at all, but rather spiritual -- there is a significant difference. The program strives to save self-centered people foolish or crazy enough to consciously ruin their health and lives, not to mention the lives of loved ones, by regular ingestion of a poison. It's been saving lives around the world for decades and in that respect has been spectacularly successful. All the handshaking and hugging and smiling and references to God, etc., seemed really weird to me at first, as did the importance placed on "getting a sponsor." Until I was recently diagnosed as being on the spectrum, I wondered why I still felt different than everyone else in AA meetings. Reading the book, going to meetings, talking regularly to my sponsor (simply a kind person with years in the program who is interested in helping others, which in turn helps him), participating in running meetings, and socializing with AA people after and outside of meetings, has helped me grow as a person and learn how to better survive in this alien world. (You really don't have to hug people if you don't want to.) I would urge anyone on the spectrum who is also suffering from addiction to alcohol to get over your doubts and fears and give Alcoholics Anonymous a try.



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15 Jun 2012, 11:13 pm

vanhalenkurtz wrote 'Booze certainly produced a more social me, at least at first, but, the usual disaster for every alcoholic. '

This quote from the original post really resonated with me. It all started socially, but became anything but pretty quickly. I used heavily for the better part of twelve years and by the end had to take a shot in the morning to get the shakes off and get my sick a$$ (take that literally) out of the bathroom. There were periods of lighter use interspersed in there, but it was more along the lines of a 'dry drunk' like mike1944 referred to- quote 'abstinent but just as if not more irritable and pissed off than before' than anything healthy or enjoyable-for anyone.

I said 'used' rather than 'drank' above as weed was a big part of the problem for me too. Seems like some of you find it really helpful and I think that's great if it works for you but it didn't for me. Same deal as booze - started casually, helped me be more comfortable socializing but became a relentlessly persued solitary activity that I made more important than pretty much anything else. In retrospect, I guess you could say getting loaded was my special interest.

I'm coming up on three years sober - July 12th is my anniversary. As far as what worked for me, I do think AA was helpful to a point. I've been to rehab a total of three times and briefly attended meetings after the first two times. I was even on Antabuse for a while somewhere in the '00s. After this most recent and hopefully last time in rehab, I attended AA a lot more regularly. I actually went to one or two meetings a day for a couple of months. I've never really been comfortable in that environment and have found some groups I've attended unbearable cliqueish, but it was a way to expose myself to other people dealing with parallel issues and strategies that were working for them. I found it useful support while I developed new habits. Haven't been in a couple of years but know where local meetings are if I care to go again. I'm still pretty unhappy in some ways-isolated, lonely, poor stress management skills-but I know it was self-medicating and just fracked up everything up way worse. The last thing I ever drank was Listerine, for chrissake, I'm not looking to go back to that madness.

Sorry this is kinda long. Don't know if anyone else will get anything out of this but I guess I kinda needed to vent on the topic. ln



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16 Jun 2012, 1:51 am

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I tried the AA thing but the hand holding in a circle, and the fact that it seemed like a cult to me, creeped me out so I only went two times. Every time I wanted a drink I would think of that creepy AA meeting and I wouldn't want to drink. I can't even say I've craved it very much in all these years.


I'm not dissing AA because obviously it works for a lot of people, but, above, is where I was at, and still at. And I gotta say, doing it on my own is one of my prouder moments. If anyone from AA wants to say I'm a dry drunk, do it in private.


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16 Jun 2012, 1:54 am

vanhalenkurtz wrote:
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I tried the AA thing but the hand holding in a circle, and the fact that it seemed like a cult to me, creeped me out so I only went two times. Every time I wanted a drink I would think of that creepy AA meeting and I wouldn't want to drink. I can't even say I've craved it very much in all these years.


I'm not dissing AA because obviously it works for a lot of people, but, above, is where I was at, and still at. And I gotta say, doing it on my own is one of my prouder moments. If anyone from AA wants to say I'm a dry drunk, do it in private.


Yup



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16 Jun 2012, 2:53 am

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Sorry this is kinda long. Don't know if anyone else will get anything out of this but I guess I kinda needed to vent on the topic. ln[/quote]

I will get plenty out of it, thanks for posting.



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16 Jun 2012, 9:27 am

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I had a medical marijuana card for Asperger's but I threw it away. I don't like pot anymore.


Never heard of Marijuana (nor ANY drug for that matter) as a treatment for asperger's.

What is marijuana supposed to do for an aspie?