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11 Jun 2012, 11:49 pm

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Oh god, this is the conversation I've waited 32 years to have with someone!


:lol: Yeah it's good to know you're not the only person who grew up in a family worse than the Simpsons.



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11 Jun 2012, 11:54 pm

Dan_Undiagnosed wrote:
houseofpanda wrote:
Oh god, this is the conversation I've waited 32 years to have with someone!


:lol: Yeah it's good to know you're not the only person who grew up in a family worse than the Simpsons.


Jesus, that's where most of my childhood aspirations peaked!



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12 Jun 2012, 9:38 am

Mostly I feel sick or I feel pain this can be from sensory input but change is a bit stressor, as is people interfering with my routines. I usually get angry and feel violent and will become distant I've been told. usually a big one will result in tears, violence toward myself and complete shut down where I may sit in my room and can't tolerate anybody with me then I'll usually sleep, I have stayed distant for days
My last big one was at work when I arrived to find they had not only changed me to another area but also changed my duty list, that coupled with buzzers going off and a workmate in my face led to me walking out n disappearing for a while, I hit a wall and rocked for a while then returned... And had some explaining to do to a NT manager which wasn't easy. Took a while to recover from that shift



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12 Jun 2012, 9:38 am

Mostly I feel sick or I feel pain this can be from sensory input but change is a bit stressor, as is people interfering with my routines. I usually get angry and feel violent and will become distant I've been told. usually a big one will result in tears, violence toward myself and complete shut down where I may sit in my room and can't tolerate anybody with me then I'll usually sleep, I have stayed distant for days
My last big one was at work when I arrived to find they had not only changed me to another area but also changed my duty list, that coupled with buzzers going off and a workmate in my face led to me walking out n disappearing for a while, I hit a wall and rocked for a while then returned... And had some explaining to do to a NT manager which wasn't easy. Took a while to recover from that shift



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12 Jun 2012, 10:06 am

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Do you think Explosion of anger, is a meltdown? Or is that just anger issues?

Like if there is dripping water on you, so the Person*cough* starts screaming and yelling for a towel. Is that anger issues, that for example I know is a sensory issue causing the upset , but the way they handle it is anger.

Or say for example they think someone is attacking them or making them repeat their sentence, or is not letting them finish their rant so they start yelling over other people and getting very angry, talking really loud etc is that a form of a meltdown , in an adult? I'm so use to thinking of a tantrum as kicking and screaming on the ground and being a toddler


What about this comment I made?^^; I was wondering if anyone could directly tell me their opinion, is that something you could see someone with aspergers doing, or do you think simply the person could just have anger issues mixed with slight sensory issues?

What do you mean Washi something more specific?



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12 Jun 2012, 10:16 am

The first one in my opinion is a meltdown, but keep in mind this might not be the whole story, if something has annoyed me through the day I am more sensitive to sensory input that night, and sometimes I have been upset at someone who has nothing to do with what actually upset me in the first place. Responding with angry can still be a meltdown, I do respond with anger (hence the hitting, throwing, head butting things) because when something has sent me to a meltdown I can feel physical pain. Sometimes from things I can normally handle



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12 Jun 2012, 10:41 am

coolies -- I wasn't as fortunate as you. Two years ago I was fired because of a meltdown. The irony is I didn't know about AS at that time.



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12 Jun 2012, 10:57 am

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coolies -- I wasn't as fortunate as you. Two years ago I was fired because of a meltdown. The irony is I didn't know about AS at that time.


That is no good! Luckily all I've had is some serious explaining to do. Which can be difficult at times when you have a rather old school NT manager



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12 Jun 2012, 10:58 am

Oh thanks for a reply, He has these ones that are sensory, like the sound of something that is completely annoying him causes him to yell for it to be turned off etc

but yeah almost always happens when he is extremely tired or irritated because he's repeated himself to someone a lot , or he does have anger towards something they did earlier, but gets mad at the time at them for something else. He gets so upset that he just boils over so quickly, he says he actually feels pain, and his veins in all his arms pop out. It's illogically the anger but his reasoning is a logically sequence of one thing after another. Sometimes it can be something so simple he is getting mad at, but to him it's not that simple. Like An example of the events is , there is no paper towels and he needs a paper towel so he can wipe down a certain part of a car before he applies the next part of the paint , or else debris could possible be in it, which would destroy the process which means he'd have to redo it all, which means more of his time wasted , which means his car won't be on the road, which means his current failing car will fail, and he won't have a car to use, which means he can't get to work, which means he'll get fired, which means he'll have no money and we'll be homeless.

:| It wasn't paper towel(something else for the process) ,but just change the words and its almost always same as that. Almost always had to go back well being though. It's a form of care...

Its always possibilities and percentages of how things will follow through. And so when things don't follow through , which really it's not a big deal at all, and you can have work arounds but it causes him to have a big meltdown anger thing, I'v just never someone so much of a perfectionist, but his reasoning is if it dosnt go that way everything won't work out etc.

How can I relate this to aspergers vs not just someone with anger issues? What differs a meltdown from someone with ASD vs perhaps someone freaking out who is "NT" Is there really a difference? Or only difference is one person has aspergers ? Would you think it normal, common to have a metldown ?



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12 Jun 2012, 3:50 pm

MsNattyable wrote:
MsNattyable wrote:
Do you think Explosion of anger, is a meltdown? Or is that just anger issues?

Like if there is dripping water on you, so the Person*cough* starts screaming and yelling for a towel. Is that anger issues, that for example I know is a sensory issue causing the upset , but the way they handle it is anger.

Or say for example they think someone is attacking them or making them repeat their sentence, or is not letting them finish their rant so they start yelling over other people and getting very angry, talking really loud etc is that a form of a meltdown , in an adult? I'm so use to thinking of a tantrum as kicking and screaming on the ground and being a toddler


What about this comment I made?^^; I was wondering if anyone could directly tell me their opinion, is that something you could see someone with aspergers doing, or do you think simply the person could just have anger issues mixed with slight sensory issues?

What do you mean Washi something more specific?


I mean sensory overload. If he was screaming and yelling because the dripping water caused him extreme discomfort that's a meltdown, if he was screaming and yelling because he wasn't getting his own way that's a tantrum but if it's a combination of things it might be hard to tease out which label is more appropriate.



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12 Jun 2012, 4:16 pm

Normally, I'm almost totally without emotion, however often when I become overloaded I can and do have meltdowns.
In my case they take 2 forms:
1.) the most common is a total shutdown. I withdraw into myself and will not respond to ANY outside stimulus (You could probably set me on fire without a response) these can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few days.

2.) In rarer cases I lose control and lash out at my environment. I punch holes in walls and doors as well as throw things.

3.) in extremely rare (once every few years) cases I will lash out toward an individual causing damage.


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12 Jun 2012, 4:27 pm

I get self-reinforcing anxiety, panic. Just today I was informed that my product would not arrive for another week (after a delay of 10 days already), and I caved in to panic, the concept of not having resources to continue what I'm trying to do. I had to go running for 40 mins to clear things out - and if anyone were around me, they would have gotten a depressing earful - feelings of frustration and inevitable failure. I express how I feel - for me a 'meltdown is something I have to "let out" vocally, or physically.

I also get 'distant' and 'pensive' when I'm dealing with a twinge of hurt, or anger. Which happens a few times a week. I generally try to hide it though, so as not to bother others. I will distance myself, or disappear by myself, because I just don't want to make the few people who still care about me, weary of my 'breakdowns.'



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12 Jun 2012, 10:51 pm

Omnicognic wrote:
1.) the most common is a total shutdown. I withdraw into myself and will not respond to ANY outside stimulus (You could probably set me on fire without a response) these can last anywhere from a few minutes to a few days.

2.) In rarer cases I lose control and lash out at my environment. I punch holes in walls and doors as well as throw things.

3.) in extremely rare (once every few years) cases I will lash out toward an individual causing damage.


I can relate to that but I don't touch other people unless they've physically tried to hurt me in which case I'm like an animal backed into a corner. I think intense world theory and the similarities between auties/aspies and animals in a flight or flight response makes a lot of sense. I'm learning about psychology at the moment and I'm sure I have an over-active pituitary gland so my sympathetic nervous system is running almost constantly which results in stimming even if I'm relaxed at home alone in my room. It also explains a mania I'm sometimes struck by which sees me urgently poring over my bookshelf looking to absorb some information but not knowing what in particular. For years this used to keep me up for a 36 hr awake/10-12 sleep routine but I seem to have fixed it a bit now.