Is Your 2nd Toe As Long Or Longer Than Your Big Toe?

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Dirt Digger: That was a cool link. Thank you!

LostGirl: Evidently, it is pretty common for the longer second toe (shorter big toe) to be expressed more completely on one foot than the other. This is an example of "penetrance" in genetic jargon (where gene or genes for a particular trait are present but may be expressed in the phenotype to varying degrees). I wonder if it has anything to do with left handed vs right handed?

MissLizard: I wanted to mention that the relative length of the legs relative to the trunk is more important than actual height when evaluating for Neanderthal traits. Neanderthals were "long-waisted" which is another way of saying a long trunk relative to leg length (shorter legs). In other words, the average Neanderthal was longer waisted than the average Cro-Magnon.

this is pretty interesting. morton's toe is only supposed to occur in 1% of the population.

i'm an aspie with morton's toe but everyone in my family has it and everyone else is an NT.
the only other aspie in my family is my aunt but i don't know if she has it.

Hmm, I don't know it could be. That's an interesting theory. I wonder if it has to do with me being half Asian. I remember a year or so ago I was sitting around with friends and we were comparing the shape of our thumbs. My boyfriend at the time was half Native and the same with his brother. My two friends were white and then there was me who was half Filipino and half Dutch. We were all comparing our thumb tips and we found out that my boyfriend's brother and I had thumbs that kind of stuck out and my two girl friends and my boyfriend had straight thumb tips. I don't know if that has to do with a race or evolutionary thing at all.

Nationalities don't mean much when it comes to our race and that is why I did research on race rather than nationality. So do you know what race/s is Filipino and Dutch? I'm guessing that Filipino is of an Asian race. I'm Asian and black African on my dad's side and Briton which is a white race and is not the same as the citizens of Great Britain, on my mom's side. I have to say, it is very interesting who our human ancestors are and where humans came from. I do believe it is through evolution rather than creation.

But, I've often wonder how the plant and animal life got on the earth in the beginning unless, in this case, it was created as a result of an ideal enviroment as a result of the earth being just the right distance from the Sun. So I'm saying the Sun is the creator of all in the beginning and without the Sun, everything will disappear just as quick which makes me discount the Religious version on creation. That is the only thing that makes sense to me since we have learned so much more about our galaxy.

If it's true that Morton's toe occurs only in 1% of the population, this poll will change History. I'm astounded.

Also, it would mean that Aspies are not disordered humans but have a higher degree of the conquered species' genes.

The Indians in my region of origin (now all extinguished, perished to the Spaniards back then) didn't smile. People in our population who have a higher degree of Indian genes (after lots of mixed breeding with Spaniards back then), still can't smile. In my country of origin, we recognize this trait for what it is and never hold the lack of smiling against them. How I wish I'd been born in a time this was true about aspies too.

However, LFA is not explained by this theory.

I am astounded too!

However, I've read in multiple places it is more like 10%, not 1%. Still, we are coming in higher than 70%! !

I also think it is interesting that many people have "NT's" in their famlies with this trait. This supports the "broader phenotype" theory I've read about.

Is Your 2nd Toe As Long Or Longer Than Your Big Toe? Yep.


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My 2nd toe is longer than my big toe. I'm a clinically diagnosed Classical autism and I'm am part Irish.
My 3rd and 4th toes is as long as my big toe.

My second toe is longer than my big toe on both feet I wonder if it is common in aspies. If so it could be a good indicator in AS/HFA diagnostics.

I am NT my second toe on both feet is longer, my husband is autistic and he is the same. Something we have both noticed but I don't think it signifies or indicates anything.

My second toe is slightly longer on both feet than my big toe.

Also my surname is McLeary so...

Longer second toe is not common yet 70% here have it O_O interesting.

Well, if only 10% of the general population has the longer 2nd toe but a much larger percentage of aspies (70% in our poll currently) has the longer 2nd toe, this would be quite significant and would lend credence to the Neanderthal gene theory for "cause." It is a scientific fact, that Neanderthals had a longer second toe and that Cro-Mag did not (at least that what my references say so far). This is not subjective as you just measure the bones on the skeletons. It seems that it didn't show up in Homo sapiens until after Neatherthals and Cro-Mags mixed. At least, that is what I've read so far.

This does not mean that every person alive today with a longer 2nd toe would be an aspie but it might indicate they carry at least some of the genes associated with it. There are certainly people who have some aspie traits but not enough to be clinically diagnosed with aspergers. I've seen this referred to as a "broad AS phenotype" and similar terms.

anomy, you're still here, I thought you'd gone to receive your Nobel Prize! How did you make the correlation that made you post this poll, I'm curious?

That Neanderthal theory was always the only one that spoke to me, now a lot more.

My 2nd toe is slightly longer than my big toe, I'm formally diagnosed with Aspergers and I'm from Ireland.

I've done a lot of reading on the Neanderthal theory and about Neanderthals in general looking for more clues. I think the evidence is quite convincing. I've seen the longer second toe on almost every detailed descripton of Neanderthal anatomy. It may even be on the aspie test, can't remember for sure.

I was thinking when I posted this poll that we would get a bit higher than average, even something obviously significant, but I am totally blown away so far with the results!! !

To me, ~70% (our poll) versus ~10% (general population) is a truly astounding difference!

I'm thinking something more formal needs to be done on this.

I wonder if we could start by making this thread a sticky, to keep getting more voters in the poll.

Since you've researched the Neanderthals, do you happen to know....I wonder where the Greek sculptors got the idea that Morton's Toe is more worthy...? I also saw someone mention on another thread that the way Neanderthals lived alongside Homo Sapiens very much resembles how Aspies live alongside NTs. Do you have any source to read more on the way N and HS lived between them?