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25 Jul 2012, 4:25 pm

I don't think I've gotten worse since finding this site, just slightly more comfortable in reading about other people's experiences and how similar they are to mine.

Spending too long in that comfort zone I don't think is a good idea, but sometimes you just need a reminder that there are people going through the same kind of things, if only to serve as a lifejacket to keep you from going under completely.



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25 Jul 2012, 4:41 pm

Listening to unwell people like me....



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25 Jul 2012, 5:13 pm

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This certainly can and does happen, but I think part of the issue is that people generally have tried 200% to fit in and suppress everything they'd normally do (things like faking interest in smalltalk, engaging in social situations that stress you out, mimicing NT mannerisms etc. etc.). Once I found out what the problem was I was heavily advised to not push my boundaries all the time, and thus am taking more time for myself and don't invest more energy than I can muster into socializing. People around me may find me acting more autistic, but really what they are seeing is a bit more of my true self. And that is a good thing all around.

People complaining about you not overextending yourself 24/7 should do a reality check!
You live for yourself, not for others!! !


Well said, I completely agree. It's a huge relief to be able to be ourselves on WP.
But when I have to go outside and be around strangers, I'm gonna act as normal as I possibly can, just to avoid embarrassing situations and too much attention.

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How good was it for YOU to be told you've gotten 'worse' since you found WP?

Nasty shock, but I'm trying to find a healthy balance being myself and being normal. Haven't found it yet.

Personally I'm new here but from what I've read of the forums, I think a 13 year old girl would be best monitored or some sort of block used so she is prevented accessing overly adult themed content. I don't know your daughter or your situation and I feel a little pushy and bold for voicing my opinion, but it's just my opinion. I don't see WP being destructive, on the contrary, it's exceedingly helpful most of the time. For a 13 year old, I'm sure young people could have the same experience as long as their parents and carers restrict access to only the articles and the more appropriate forums for their age and level of maturity.
Sorry if I'm overstepping a boundary. :)



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25 Jul 2012, 6:01 pm

I don't think I got worse when I started on WP.
I became more aware of the actions I was already doing. Sometimes, becoming aware of something makes it stand out more, and thinks can seem to be worse when real, there's nothing that has changed.

Another thing is, I relaxed the act. I did what I naturally want to do, instead of pulling it in. When I started that, my suicidal thoughts went away - and people could notice the difference in my face and demeanor.
So yes, in a way, my actions were more intense. For example, I paid attention to my stims and found another one that I like.

Another thing one has to consider is that moods can make behavior change. I have been depressed, so it has been easier for me to be overstimulated, and has made putting on a social act much more difficult.

Lastly, we have to remember that when people get around similar company, they let loose on their behavior. It's natural. It's not pretending - it's assimilating within reasonable bounds to a comfortable level. Since we're autistic, we have no trouble acting that way when we have a community to relate to. Without that community, we tend to hide our behavior.

Those are my theories.



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27 Jul 2012, 2:10 am

If you let something become your crutch, that would become a problem. Such as, if you're reading this site too much, you start thinking "I can't be emphatic because of AC" or "I can't have a job because of AS." Obviously neither of those things are true, and thus WP has filled your head with b.s. If you ignore the bad, it's fine. Just don't fall into the trap of self-pity and failing to take responsibility for your own life.

And, any site could become a waste of time if you spend too much time on it. Short amounts of time can be informative, whereas hours on end could be a waste. Same with video games. Playing a video game for an hour is fun, but playing a video game 8 hours day is an unproductive waste of time/life (unless you're a video programmer getting paid to test video games all day long).



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27 Jul 2012, 2:23 am

I can't say for sure that I've gotten worse since I've started visiting WP. I can say, however, that I've become more aware of my behavior and my aspie traits since I found WP, though. It was kind of weird at first, because I was so tuned into my actions that I found it really difficult to focus on anything else. It's only been recently that I've settled back into something resembling normal for me.



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27 Jul 2012, 2:51 pm

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Such as, if you're reading this site too much, you start thinking "I can't be emphatic because of AC" or "I can't have a job because of AS."


That is non sequitur...

I also have a problem with your logic behind this:
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Short amounts of time can be informative, whereas hours on end could be a waste.

Both short and long times spent on things can be completely "informative" or "a waste". The amount of time has nothing to do with the qualitifier in the way you portray it here...
For example, if I need to research an issue and I click a link that has nothing to do with my topic it is a waste of my time, regardless if I spent thirty seconds or fifty minutes on there.


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27 Jul 2012, 4:02 pm

All you can do is explain to your daughter the hidden laws of social relating, as you've been doing. If she has a period of time (especially teenage years or mid-life crisis) when she chooses to disregard them, it doesn't matter. The info you're giving her now will be invaluable forever. It's crucial for survival to know the rules as soon as possible in life, regardless of how much she decides to pretend in order to try and fit in with them. If I'd had a mother like you, who had told me the rules, regardless of how much I'd decided to pretend / fit in or be my aspie self, my life would be a million times better. As it is, I was in my forties when I discovered, after giving my whole life to it, the rules I wish my mother had told me at 8. That was after I'd lost many dream-jobs and opportunities in life. I'd tend to believe she'll apply the rules when something important to her is at stake like a dream job. The KNOWING is what makes all the difference, because that's the part we're stupid at. We're NOT stupid as to doing what's in our best interest, rest assured.

I hope I've managed to convey how extremely important and beneficial what you're doing is for your daughter's future, regardless what path she chooses in life and what values. Information like "people don't like it when someone..." or "someone may try to prey on you if you divulge..." change the autistic's life radically. I was over 40 when I discovered that there are unsaid rules of relating among humans, and it was too late for everything for me. That won't happen to your daughter. Congratulations to you.


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27 Jul 2012, 4:03 pm

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I've never told anybody in my family about WP, so I can't answer that question.


Same thing here.



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27 Jul 2012, 4:17 pm

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According to my mother. In her eyes I just use what I learn here to rationalize being selfish and unreliable. When I said it is a spectrum after she mentioned someone else having traits she said 'how do you know those other people have Aspergers'? I said they'd sure have to go through a lot of trouble to fake something like this, she then trotted out the tired old statement about the bad stuff people do when they pretend to be something else online. So there's that, and there was her favorite arrow to the head about me purposely having angry facial expressions. She knows I can smile when I want to smile, therefore I'm being very 1-sided since I started reading about AS, then I don't talk to anyone enough (when the TV and radio aren't playing, nobody's on Barfbook, or talking on the phone, or gone out, AND Venus is in retrograde) , not that I can really trust my heart with anything I tell them . What IS it with this (metaphorical) mirror that people don't comprehend they're looking right into?

How good was it for YOU to be told you've gotten 'worse' since you found WP?


I only post here to bestow upon people knowledge which might prove beneficial to them. That being said, you should keep in mind that having AS is an explanation for being socially ill versed, not a justification, for it. In fact I would expect more effort to meet certain social standards from an individual with a diagnosis with AS, than an individual who has AS and is unaware of it, because the diagnosed individual has had their short comings pointed out.

So it might sound rather harsh, but I advise you make more of an effort to normalize yourself if your mother feels you are "worse" since you've found Wrong Planet. The reason being, that in some situations, the bottom line is that it really doesn't matter that you have AS, if you do not conform to certain social standards your life is going to be more difficult than it needs to be.


normalize? f**k that.



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27 Jul 2012, 4:18 pm

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I used to go to a board devoted to schizoids, for much the same reason I've been coming here. To learn about stuff and exchange notes. I let everything wash over me and try to absorb stuff that only feels *right*. But I don't spend most of my internet time hanging out on "weird people" boards. There becomes a point when the conversations become exercises in self-absorbed navel-gazing. I don't see it here, but I've been places where people play the oneupsmanship game of weirder-than-thou. "I haven't left my parent's basement or changed my underwear in two weeks!" "Oh yeah? It's been a month for me, plus I am sitting in a pool of my own filth!" It gets old. Some people are almost certainly lying. And even if they are telling the truth, hearing such accounts don't help one improve as a person.

These places also become echo chambers. Being validated is good, but sometimes hearing differing opinions and perspectives makes you realize certain things about yourself. I'm pretty sure if I took a random thread topic from this forum and posted it to a "NT" board (let's say, something like "What are your stims?"), there would be people posting about their habits. I think in an echo chamber, you don't see how similar you are to people on the "outside" and it reenforces a feeling of "difference".

I don't know about becoming worse. But I can see how making WP your number one "hang out" place could be not the best thing in the world, especially if you are impressionable.


you say that like its a bad thing.



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27 Jul 2012, 4:45 pm

The reality is that sometimes it can be a bad thing.

Everything could be a bad thing...... me, you, our mothers and fathers, food, sex, spirituality, dogs and cats, you name it, it could be bad

often dependent on user [your doing it all wrong]

I did WP wrong this week....



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28 Jul 2012, 2:21 am

Following up on my previous post...the one thing I have picked up from WP involves new stims. Like, I flap my hands now. I don't remember flapping before. (If I did, it was a subconscious thing that I wasn't really aware of.)



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28 Jul 2012, 3:58 am

I remember once I get told I was getting obsessed with WP. When it's the only way you can really share your feelings with people who can relate you tend to want to spend a lot of time on it.

I remember changing my behaviour after I was diagnosed too and it does go and like Callista said, you do fall into a more natural mode. I have had a lot of complications with medication and stress which has set me back a bit. I stim more now and have severe sensory issues all because of anxiety and strobe lights.

I don't come on WP too often because I feel my social skills have developed so much I don't need to be here as much. Sometimes I find I can't be tolerable of those who are still learning.


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28 Jul 2012, 6:53 am

FishStickNick wrote:
Following up on my previous post...the one thing I have picked up from WP involves new stims. Like, I flap my hands now. I don't remember flapping before. (If I did, it was a subconscious thing that I wasn't really aware of.)


At least I never suddenly develop any new stims. And like you I have notice some members developing new stims on here. The stims that I talk about are those that I had in childhood as well. NO NEW STIMS FOR ME. :lol:



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28 Jul 2012, 7:01 am

My parents are fairly supportive of me being on here because they've spent the most time with me and know I'm on the autism spectrum. They knew I was unhappy about being different and not knowing 'why', so they're happy I've discovered people with the same problems. My sister makes fun of it, though, and says I don't have Aspergers. I think she resents me a bit because she doesn't have the same problems and therefore didn't get as much attention when growing up. Sorry, sis.


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