Something should be done about screaming kids in public!

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But small children in their early years don't have the cognitive ability to get punished later. Like you can't tell a two year old they are going to time out when you get home because by then they won't understand why they are being punished when you do it to them. That's what I have been told. Children that young have to be punished right after their behavior, not later or else they won't understand and not learn their lesson.

That's true but again, it's all about age appropriateness and what your child can understand and what they can't. Sometimes when they're really young you might only be able to take them aside and talk to them.

Yes, Ikea does have places for little kids to play in while the parents shop - and when my mom and stepdad lived in Pennsylvania, there was a chain of supermarkets called Wegman's that had a place where the kids could hang out, too. I think some Giant Eagle supermarkets also have them. I remember that my mom always left my younger sisters there while she went to shop in the store.

Parents should shape up and be parents, by making their kids learn to be quiet in public.

Then you admit that you are sending mixed messages: you want them to give in to stop the screaming so you don't have to listen to it, but you also don't want them to give in because you don't want them to be permissive. That's just a malicious and selfish attitude, and I think at this point I'm perfectly justified in not caring what someone with such an attitude thinks or wants.



Then the parent is shut in and the child never learns. Don't say you are sympathetic, because you obviously aren't.



If it doesn't happen with everyone that's all the more reason for you not to judge them as you do. Most parents can't simply leave their young children home, hire a nanny, or whatever it is you imagine they should be doing. If you can't take it, maybe you're the one who should stay home. Doesn't sound fair? Well, neither does what you're saying.



That's because you think there is a viable alternative. You're wrong. You're just another person without kids who thinks she's an expert on parenting when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about (and no, working with kids is not the same thing at all. You seem not to realize that dealing with kids is not a parent's job, but her life).



ROFLMAO.

I really want to see you having a reasonable chat with a tantruming two-year-old. You obviously have no clue at all. No point in talking to you further, you've just confirmed that people who project disapproval to parents in public don't know anything and aren't worth thinking about.

I just love how people seem to think that's a straightforward matter that could be accomplished without annoying a single stranger. How many kids do you have?

Wow it's quite obvious that you can't have a discussion without getting defensive, uncompromising and all "I'm right about every single thing" attitude.

Okay. bottom line
-It's all about [b]communication with your child, if you don't communicate with your child and teach them right and wrong then they'll never learn
-it's not malicious and selfish in teaching your child good manners, it's for their own good
-of course you're justified in not caring what I think, that's fine...this is a board where we're allowed to state our own opinions
-the parent and child wont be shut in because there are places that are perfectly acceptable to go with children and once your children do have the attitude stage nipped in the bud, you'll find that you can go to many other places with them....also there are babysitters and nannies out there and if you can't afford them then are are also family members and if you can't use any of these options then you need to accept the fact that you chose to have children and you may not get that freedom you once had anymore...it's not really about being fair, you chose to have children
-the child will eventually learn and you will be able to go to those places with them once you teach them proper guidance
-actually I am sympathetic in certain situations as I work with children and I can understand how sometimes the parents have no control in certain scenarios
-No, I am not a parent but I have worked with children for many years and still do and I've worked in a lot of different settings...I've been a daycare teacher, a preschool teacher, an educational assistant, home daycare caregiver and a nanny so I have more than enough experience with working with all kinds of children with different behaviours and if I ever do choose to have children I'll be using the same positive guidance right from the start, I also don't think I'm the expert on parenting or how to raise a child...it takes a village to raise a child. I do however have lots of previous experience on working with children who have behaviour problems
-trust me I've had more reasonable talks with children ages 1-12 than I can count

It'd be a miracle to have every single toddler in town to be as quiet as mice, but it's not impossible to try your best, as a parent, to make your kids behave appropriately in public. Sometimes bellowing at your child doesn't always help matters, it just shows you up and makes the child want to retaliate by screaming even more. But being too calm and just letting your child run riot is not a good way to go either, especially when the child is upto no good and then you suddenly got to pick it up before it gets into trouble and then it starts screaming because it's probably thinking, ''they normally let me do whatever they want, why aren't they letting me now?!'' But being in between calm and firm is the best way. May not help all children in the same way but it's better than overdoing it or underdoing it. My mum and dad were the type of parents that were between being calm and being firm. It's like, they were tough but fair, so it wasn't that common of me to have temper tantrums in public, and if I did, they used to trick me by walking away and saying, ''right I'm going to leave you there if you don't behave yourself'', which frightened me, and I immediately would stop crying and come running up to them, then they would say, ''good girl'', which made me think ''OK, I am doing the right thing then''. Kids like it when their parents say that, and I suppose I kind of learnt from that.

Dogs are more capable of understanding than babies are. I've read that the average dog has the intelligence of a 3-to-4-year-old child.
There used be be creche places like that in New Zealand; my mother left me in them a couple of times. I don't know if they still have them.

I have none, but I have friends with kids who teach them right at a very young age. No the kids are not perfect and do get loud sometimes, but when their parents tell them to quiet down that is what they do.

My kid has aspergers. Smacking her when she is upset or having a tantrum will cause a meltdown. Before I knew she had AS we used corporal punishment when she appeared to be really misbehaving. Unfortunately, what we thought was "naughty" behavior was actually the autism. It's hard to tell the difference honestly. I feel horrible now because it accomplished nothing and scared the ever living crap out of her. I wouldn't advocate ANYONE spank their kid after our experience with it. Figure out something else. Give them a lollipop and then snatch it away if you must, don't smack or spank them.

my 3 year old niece is staying at my house, she was crying for almost an hour. I was on the verge of a meltdown when she stopped.

What if they were autistic? Would you be more understanding? You never know.

All whacking a child does is make them be quiet in fear of getting a belting from their parents. That's not the way to go about it.

Or they can the opposite way.

Constantly yelling and punishing a child without telling them calmly why they are in trouble will just make them develop Oppositional Defiance Disorder which means they will they will just act out, argue and go against people about everything.
I should know. I got it.

However I think it's more common in autism and ADHD. Kids that don't understand why their behaviour is wrong.


Also, sometimes kids make a lot of noise when they're having fun. I was shown a video of this centre called Lollipops, a type of fun park for toddlers. It was so loud in there. I don't like the noise but I'm not going to go yell at a child or their parents for something that is only bothering me. I've also got my ear plugs.
Kids need to be taught manners but sometimes they just have a lot of energy and need to let it out. I still have all that energy at 26.

People should really clearly explain they hate the noise, not the child as parents can really take things personally. Some kids are really hard to control too. It's not always about parenting. Me and my sister were little rascals. We'd climb, crawl, run, act our scenes. We were just kids doing as kids do because we had very little responsibility, and I think it's important that kids have that.
My sister (another one) was complaining that our nephew wasn't given enough responsibility by his parents which is why he is so energetic. He's six! It's not parenting that made him that way but his genes. He's just like his dad.

Seeing that there are a multitude of adults who behave in ways I find irritating when I'm in public, I'm just going to start randomly smacking them all.

After all, the only thing that matters in public spaces is my personal comfort and it's not like smacking people is "assault" or anything.

Oh, you have no idea how I dream of doing just that.

Getting really tired of parents telling me their rights to leave the house with their screaming children trump my rights to a peaceful trip to the mall, ride on the airplane, etc. Get over yourselves. YOU CHOSE TO HAVE CHILDREN, figure out how to control them. If you can't, work on it at home and when they can behave appropriately, take them out. When you have kids you lose some of your freedom and the ability to do what you want to do when you want to do it. I try to be as tolerant as I can, but honestly I'm tired of having to fight not to meltdown because of the noise. Yes, I do use techniques and strategies already to minimize the noise and try and calm myself, but there are times when I just can't take it anymore. I really want to get up in the kids faces and start screaming at them and see how they like it. Kids can be quiet and kids can be taught good manners because I never behaved like the kids I see now, if I did I got a swat on the rear and removed from where ever we were. I turned out to be a pretty decent, nice, polite person (most of the time, I have my limits). Obviously a swat on the rear didn't kill me and it won't kill them.