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02 Dec 2006, 1:38 pm

When I was a kid, I used big words all the time. As you might have already guessed, adults loved it, and the kids hated it. I could never figure out why. Eventually, I learned that "using big words is something you just don't do around people your age". Although I still don't know the logic behind it, I follow that "rule", knowing it helps me socially.

However, using big words is considered somewhat OK among the people I work with, in the IT department. Since IT is all about techical terms, which are considered big words by most people, that attitude kind of carried over into social conversations.



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02 Dec 2006, 1:53 pm

I went through a phase in middle school where I tried to talk with as many big words as I could so that people would think I was a genius.

Sometimes I would get stuck mid-sentence, and then pretend to cough so they wouldn't notice.


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02 Dec 2006, 2:24 pm

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If I want to use big words, I will. However, when people use obscure words and patterns of speech it can get a bit frustrating.


Indeed, it can. However, a little obfuscation and irritation can go a long way, in certain circumstances. :wink:

One notices how some of those Yanks find English spelling and idiom particularly irksome — poetic justice considering how theirs has permeated almost every form of communication, in the UK, from tabloid newspapers to the BBC.



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02 Dec 2006, 2:28 pm

I often get stick from mates for my use of vocabularly my pointless throwing in of "big" words into a conversation its not an intentional attempt by me to sound smart its just the way I speak and out of my control



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02 Dec 2006, 2:34 pm

DerekD_Goldfish wrote:
I often get stick from mates for my use of vocabularly my pointless throwing in of "big" words into a conversation its not an intentional attempt by me to sound smart its just the way I speak and out of my control


That is the exact reason that I use them.


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02 Dec 2006, 3:45 pm

I've known a lot of intelligent people who didn't have much formal education.

Check out some really good poetry, stuff that's been around for awhile, and see how often they use words hardly anybody understands.

"Never use a twenty dollar word when there's a twenty-five-center ready at hand."

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03 Dec 2006, 12:42 am

TEll anyone that tells you to "eschew obfuscation" to "eh, shoo yo fuss, kay?"

Seriously, people that dont like big words want other people to have minds smaller than their own.



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03 Dec 2006, 12:43 am

Fuzzy wrote:
TEll anyone that tells you to "eschew obfuscation" to "eh, shoo yo fuss, kay?"

Seriously, people that dont like big words want other people to have minds smaller than their own.


I think I know what you mean.


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03 Dec 2006, 12:58 am

CanyonWind wrote:
I've known a lot of intelligent people who didn't have much formal education.

Check out some really good poetry, stuff that's been around for awhile, and see how often they use words hardly anybody understands.

"Never use a twenty dollar word when there's a twenty-five-center ready at hand."

E.B. White, The Elements of Style


However poerty is often trying to convey a message that many can understand so using obscure words could be counterproductive to that. Like others have stated - it is a "natural" way of speaking and something for which an effort has to be made not necessarily to dumb it down but to sound more "twenty five cent" perhaps. If you have issues with processing speech than trying to find the least offensive (meaning most common) wording only adds to that process and increases the delay which in turn makes your issues more noticeable.

I wonder how many of us learned language through reading or were hyperlexic. Maybe that effected how our speech developed (and therefore maybe bigger words or more formal sentence structure) instead of learning it from our peers?



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03 Dec 2006, 1:28 am

I think I was definately hyperlexic when I was young. I could read at "university level" by age 7 or 8, I believe. I have dyscalculia though, is that related? I was non-verbal until about age 3.5, afterwhich I began rapidly using and learning language, as well as learning how to read. I was diagnosed with autism around this time.



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03 Dec 2006, 1:35 am

I was originally in an upper middle class family with two working parents. They DID bring work home, etc... I listened to TV, and DID get books. Some of the books WERE written for teenagers. Not advanced, but they WERE advanced for someone under 4 years old. My parents had family and freinds over who would talk well into the night. They WERE very eclectic. My mother also took me everywhere when she was shopping. BORING! I later read books on science, mechanics, and electronics. I guess MOST of my early vocabulary was based on that. I DID have this habit, and I WISH I kept it up. SOMETIMES I still do it. I would look up words, even ones I KNEW, and research certain words that came up. When I looked up brain chemistry, and heart problems, and certain medical terminology I did this.

I recently went to a sears autocenter. like HALF the stuff in the store dealt with POWER! In Electric terminology, power is WATTS! WATTS=VOLTS*AMPS! Yet one of the senior guys there didn't know that! WOW! I still remember when I wanted to work at Builders emporium. Before I even THOUGHT about doing so, I researched things like correlations in penneys!

I DID learn a lot of words that way. I went to private school. I don't think I learned many new words in class, though they DID teach vocabulary. I later went to pubic school, and don't think I lerned any words there either. I DID go to a private highschool for a time that had a crazy teacher that DID teach some vocabulary I didn't know. That WAS written for someone like 4 grade levels higher though.

I CAN tell you I didn't have that many books written at a very high level(though there were a few), and NONE of the people were very rich, etc...

Frankly, the biggest thing holding down the poor from a language standpoint, at least in the US, is the poor themselves. I DID at various points frequent the library. I meant to go today, but got sidetracked. Also, I AM Trying to get back all the fluency I once had in some languages. Maybe I can find some people near me that speak Spanish, German, Danish, French, and Hindi. Ironically, I used to be SURROUNDED by spanish speakers. I never bothered to keep up on spanish, out of a kind of pride. I guess I can go a few miles to an ahmish settlement, for German. Do you think they can tolerate someone that respects them but doesn't go to church, and REEKS of technology?

Anyway, my point is that most of the big word avoidance is due to misplaced hubris, and that leads to avoidance of use which exacerbates the problem.

BTW My mother said I was speaking full 100% intelligible sentences with relatively big words by 2. She seemed to indicate I just started speaking one day. I checked it out. Most kids start babbling at 3 months, and don't really speak sentences until about 1.5 to 2 years. They are simple, and 50% intelligible.

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03 Dec 2006, 2:24 am

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My brother has been telling me all the time to stop using big words,
he says it a big turn-off for people, why would that be? I thought big-
words are flattering. Why would we need to use ebonics to make
friends? Why would we speak like idiots to speak to people? Why would
we need to relax?


Because that's being pedantic, and pedantic peeople REALLY piss other people off. I'd lay off it if I was you. Or at least don't do it to the point where it's obvious.



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03 Dec 2006, 3:25 am

Hale bopp,

Every post I have seen so far that has "big" words in it has used them sparingly. I doubt that could be considered pedantic. Even though I have generally "sanitized" my speech, I sometimes let a word through that people don't know. Like ATOMIC! That SOUNDS obvious, like atomic bomb, but I used it in its most basic meaning of atomic process. I ended up having to make documentation incorrect, because the definition of that word in this case could have taken several pages!(no joke)!

I COULD say "a set of instructions that runs within one timeslice allocated to the related components. Timeslice is a unit of time the cpu gives to a process. etc..."

I checked dictionary.com, and they don't provide the proper definition, but they DO point to the jargon file. It says:

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(From Greek "atomos", indivisible) Indivisible; cannot be split up. For example, an instruction may be said to do several things "atomically", i.e. all the things are done immediately, and there is no chance of the instruction being half-completed or of another being interspersed. Used especially to convey that an operation cannot be interrupted. An atomic data type has no internal structure visible to the program. It can be represented by a flat domain (all elements are equally defined). Machine integers and Booleans are two examples. An atomic database transaction is one which is guaranteed to complete successfully or not at all. If an error prevents a partially-performed transaction from proceeding to completion, it must be "backed out" to prevent the database being left in an inconsistent state. [Jargon File] (2000-04-03)


That is STILL partially incomplete, but it WOULD cause their eyes to cross. It is any secret why I used the term ATOMIC? BTW the REAL definition of atomic? From Greek "atomos", indivisible

GRANTED, the relatively recent identification of subatomic particles doesn't make that fully applicable, but the dictionary could at least identify that.

Someone else here meantioned that some considered frugal a "big word". To say someone wanted the best overall deal, or some such might be too drawn out. WHY have to explain it? And GENERIC? Since when is THAT considered a big word?

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03 Dec 2006, 3:34 am

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Someone else here meantioned that some considered frugal a "big word". To say someone wanted the best overall deal, or some such might be too drawn out. WHY have to explain it? And GENERIC? Since when is THAT considered a big word?

Steve


If "frugal" is a big word then "spendthrift" is bigger. :lol:


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03 Dec 2006, 4:16 am

For the record, 'big' isn't limited to use in regards to size;

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11. boastful; pompous; pretentious; haughty: a big talker.

Just in case people weren't familiar with that usage.
On the off-chance that people were unaware. No implication of ignorance is meant by it.

I like 'frugal' generally better than 'economical', 'spendthrift', 'prudent', or 'parsimonious', though each has their own uses. Something about it really clicks into place for me that makes it seem 'right' or 'appropriate' when it's called for.
Though that's probably a bit off-topic <_<

Now if you want ostentatious/pedantic, I once got a PM from a user on another forum that looked like they were using a thesaurus; Words were completely out of place, not quite suitable in context, or had a very tenuous/minimal connection to the context. Every time a simple word would have sufficed, they picked a 'big' word that felt awkward/unwieldy at best >_>
Let's not even go into the personal details he infused it with to further emphasise the air of 'maturity' he tried to cultivate.

The posts in this thread would never be labeled as pretentious to me.



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03 Dec 2006, 4:38 am

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For the record, 'big' isn't limited to use in regards to size;
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11. boastful; pompous; pretentious; haughty: a big talker.

Just in case people weren't familiar with that usage.
On the off-chance that people were unaware. No implication of ignorance is meant by it.

I like 'frugal' generally better than 'economical', 'spendthrift', 'prudent', or 'parsimonious', though each has their own uses. Something about it really clicks into place for me that makes it seem 'right' or 'appropriate' when it's called for.
Though that's probably a bit off-topic <_<

Now if you want ostentatious/pedantic, I once got a PM from a user on another forum that looked like they were using a thesaurus; Words were completely out of place, not quite suitable in context, or had a very tenuous/minimal connection to the context. Every time a simple word would have sufficed, they picked a 'big' word that felt awkward/unwieldy at best >_>
Let's not even go into the personal details he infused it with to further emphasise the air of 'maturity' he tried to cultivate.

The posts in this thread would never be labeled as pretentious to me.


I like Frugal too, it's interesting to me that I never thought of these words as big though, I always realised they weren't exactly common but obscure?

Post-Scriptum, :wink: people don't talk to me about my use of language, people seem to be more concerned with the way I "act" or the way I walk which can come of as either arrogant or clumsy/"Stupid".


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