Why do people think that ASD's are overdiagnosed?

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Kindertotenlieder79
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30 Sep 2012, 12:10 am

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I did some research on this, and what I found was that ADHD is underdiagnosed and undermedicated. It was never overdiagnosed, and the popular perception that it was largely was due to PR manipulation on the part of anti-psychiatry groups such as the Church of Scientology.

One study that found it was overdiagnosed was discredited due to asking parents one question and changing the question's wording in the final paper.


Interesting. Not surprising that the CoS would pull such a stunt. I have my issues with Psychiatry, but CoS is simply bats.



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30 Sep 2012, 12:31 am

Kindertotenlieder79 wrote:
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This list is not too extensive....these are just the ones that I know of/ can think of. I think it's the combination of the different traits that's telling.


I should've been more specific, but that is where I was going with the list, the combo of these traits above everything. Thank you for posting that info, I had no idea schizophrenics stimmed, I always believed stimming to be unique to autists and pregant women - although I'm not sure if the latter's stimming is the same as the former's.


Interesting I didn't know pregnancy was at all associated with repetitive behaviours.



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30 Sep 2012, 2:32 am

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Still it isn't necessarily over-diagnosed -part of it is just people coming out of the woodwork who have the syndrome and were msidaignosed or diagnosed with other things- another is that since knowledge of the disorder is in it's infancy perhaps people have something similar that is genetically related but not exactly the same or maybe just similar un-conceptualized disorders -or maybe the category just needs to be broadened to include more people-or maybe narrowed-the problem is the category is new so the medical community DOES NOT KNOW YET.


Yes, exactly that's the point and they will figure it out.
We don't know about many diagnoses not too much, also not about ADD, ADHD, borderline oder schizotypal PD for example.

I believe that autism is a way to behave in extreme situations.
The extreme situation is for most autistic people, that they have sensory issues and difficulties to understand social behaviour and both their entire life. Autistic people are kind of "alienated" and that since birth. Children who kept isolated or hospitaliced under extreme conditions will behave very very similar. They will rock back and forth, flap their hands, sit in the cornor, it can even lead to slight mental retardation, begin to hit themselfs and so on if they are kept like this to long.

You can even see this behaviour sometimes in animals kept for themselfs in a zoo, monkeys who begin to rock back and forth, hitting themselfs sometimes, start being agressive and so on, because they have been kept in isolation.

I believe we are "isolated" in this world and for us the world is somehow way to extreme, because of our sensory issues and so on, that we behave this way.

Here are children who show signs of hospitalism:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvdOe10vrs4[/youtube]

animals:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn2g2IPwHR0[/youtube]


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30 Sep 2012, 3:37 am

That hospitalization video was sad. Using real children for a study to see how their development is effected without their mother there to love them and care for them and all the nurses just ignore them. That also causes RAD too.


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30 Sep 2012, 4:39 am

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That hospitalization video was sad. Using real children for a study to see how their development is effected without their mother there to love them and care for them and all the nurses just ignore them. That also causes RAD too.


Yes, indeed it is very sad.
You can also see this behaviour in rumanian orphans, they are kept there under extreme circumstances.
Michael Fitzgerald mentions this shortly in his book, that they behave nearly identical to autism, but that those cases are very rare and very extreme. Even good autism researcher will have trouble to distinguish between extreme hospitalism and ASD.

The problem with autism is, that in the beginning of the autism research there was this refrigerator mother theory and this theory was wrong, so no much further research was done to compare those groups. I believe that for us our sences, how we fiew the world because of our neurological differences is the root and our behaviour just how we deal with it.
A baby who can't even recognize faces or a simple smile and where the outside world is too loud and hurts the sences, will react with withdral and selfstimulated behaviour, like rocking, to calm down.
So the diagnostic criterias for autism is just a coping mechanism if you will.

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so maybe there is an increase of autistic behaviour, because the world is more "extreme", louder and faster than it has every been.


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30 Sep 2012, 8:53 am

Raziel wrote:
I believe we are "isolated" in this world and for us the world is somehow way to extreme, because of our sensory issues and so on, that we behave this way.


What you are describing here is fascinating to me! Nearly two years ago my husband and I relocated to a new region and I became very, very isolated - more isolated than I have ever been in my life. My autism traits intensified greatly - so much that it caused me to finally figure out what is so "different" about me and seek a diagnosis (I'm almost finished being assessed by an AS specialist who agrees that I have it). However, during the more 'social' periods of my life, I've noticed that my traits more or less went into remission. They didn't disappear, but they were so much easier to manage and didn't bother me nearly as much. I was even proud to be different and suffered far less anxiety in public places. I really think that you're on to something here.



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30 Sep 2012, 9:43 am

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30 Sep 2012, 5:43 pm

lady_katie wrote:
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It's the wont of NTs to take scant information and use it as a basis on which to over-generalize.


I think that there's probably truth to that statement. I personally feel like unless I've done a lot of research on a topic, my opinion cannot possibly be valid. Of course, this is an issue because I'm very reluctant to contribute to most conversations, whereas it seems to me like most people can casually chat about anything under the sun (at least it feels that way in comparison).


I know EXACTLY what you mean.


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30 Sep 2012, 5:49 pm

Feralucce wrote:
No...there aren't... Asperger's isn't caused by another condition...

The reason they think it is overdiagnosed is that they do not know what goes on in our head, they only see our behavior... and most Aspergians act like right asses most of the time by NT standards... Since they don't have the frame of reference or the experience to compare our mental processes to ours, they just assume that we are using a diagnosis as an excuse


Yes i agree.