How many of you here on WrongPlanet are bloomers?

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What group would you say you fit in the most?
High-functioning 52%  52%  [ 28 ]
Bloomers 15%  15%  [ 8 ]
Medium-high functioning 26%  26%  [ 14 ]
Medium functioning 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
Low-medium functioning 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Low-functioning 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 54

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11 Dec 2012, 1:14 pm

I would say I am medium functioning...maybe medium-high functioning.


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11 Dec 2012, 5:55 pm

*shrug* Is there some sort of test I can take online for an answer?


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11 Dec 2012, 7:27 pm

equestriatola wrote:
*shrug* Is there some sort of test I can take online for an answer?


The best thing I can recommend for you to determine the answer to your current level of functioning would be the Global Assessment of Functioning test. Also, what was your level of functioning when you were originally diagnosed on the autism spectrum? Those 2 things should together give you the best answer for the poll question.



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11 Dec 2012, 8:23 pm

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I don't understand why you are limiting it to people who were diagnosed pre-grade school.

I'm not a bloomer though.


Because, besides the fact the study was tracking children, if you fall in the bloomer category you should have been severe enough before preschool that you should have been caught by then.


"Should have been" is an interesting conclusion. There are people on this forum who fall into the bloomer category who were not caught as children. Two who currently post are Bloodheart and aghogday.



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11 Dec 2012, 8:52 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
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I don't understand why you are limiting it to people who were diagnosed pre-grade school.

I'm not a bloomer though.


Because, besides the fact the study was tracking children, if you fall in the bloomer category you should have been severe enough before preschool that you should have been caught by then.


"Should have been" is an interesting conclusion. There are people on this forum who fall into the bloomer category who were not caught as children. Two who currently post are Bloodheart and aghogday.


btbnnyr was also not diagnosed as a young child.



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11 Dec 2012, 9:04 pm

Tuttle wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tuttle wrote:
I don't understand why you are limiting it to people who were diagnosed pre-grade school.

I'm not a bloomer though.


Because, besides the fact the study was tracking children, if you fall in the bloomer category you should have been severe enough before preschool that you should have been caught by then.


"Should have been" is an interesting conclusion. There are people on this forum who fall into the bloomer category who were not caught as children. Two who currently post are Bloodheart and aghogday.


btbnnyr was also not diagnosed as a young child.


I knew I forgot someone.

My experience is that people seem to place more faith in the system to catch everyone than is really appropriate. A lot of children are caught and diagnosed, but many simply are not. My "family doctor" when I was a child didn't catch anything about me, regardless of how obvious I was at the time, but then he also dismissed my cousin's severely painful and eventually fatal brain aneurysm as "she just wants to get high on painkillers." My mother's campaigning to focus on my categorization as "gifted" in response to any concern or suggestion that there was anything wrong with me got in the way of needed diagnoses.

Not everyone gets diagnosed, no matter how severely they present. There are possibly different reasons in each case, but a lack of childhood diagnosis does not mean anything except that one wasn't diagnosed as a child.



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11 Dec 2012, 9:35 pm

Argh, yes! What is it with parents in denial trying to insist their autistic children are "just gifted" and don't really need any help? Giftedness is nice, but it doesn't cancel out autism, and it doesn't make it any easier on you when you have no idea why you're supposed to be "so smart" and you're "being rebellious" because you can't do what kids half your age do instinctively.

I'm not in the "bloomer" category; I have always been somewhere in the moderate range and probably always will be. But the fact remains: I was obviously autistic as a toddler, and nothing was done about it. It might have been more obvious if I had been non-verbal rather than simply having a library of phrases to fit into the patterns of speech--but I'm pretty sure my mom would have been in just as much denial as she was, and just as insistent that I was just being a bratty, strong-willed, badly-disciplined child.


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11 Dec 2012, 9:39 pm

I grew up in a BAP/ASD family with almost no NT influence. My father is not at all NT, my mother is only a little NT, my grandmother is even less NT than my father, and my grandfather is the most not NT of all. It is a totally different culture, where looking, pointing, speaking, listening, communicating, and socializing are unimportant. The bestest possible child you could have was the one who kept her mouth shut and played alone. That child was me, the inheritor of the genes from both sets of chromosomes.

I think that not getting diagnosed as a young child was a wonderful thing to happen to me. If I had been diagnosed, then teachers at school would have seen the label, matched it up to my behaviors, disregarded my abilities, and not adapted to me as they did. Instead of being autistic child with splinter skills, I was gifted child with communication problems. The two are usuallly treated verry merry berry differently.



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12 Dec 2012, 12:17 am

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I grew up in a BAP/ASD family with almost no NT influence. My father is not at all NT, my mother is only a little NT, my grandmother is even less NT than my father, and my grandfather is the most not NT of all. It is a totally different culture, where looking, pointing, speaking, listening, communicating, and socializing are unimportant. The bestest possible child you could have was the one who kept her mouth shut and played alone. That child was me, the inheritor of the genes from both sets of chromosomes.

I think that not getting diagnosed as a young child was a wonderful thing to happen to me. If I had been diagnosed, then teachers at school would have seen the label, matched it up to my behaviors, disregarded my abilities, and not adapted to me as they did. Instead of being autistic child with splinter skills, I was gifted child with communication problems. The two are usuallly treated verry merry berry differently.


I think something that people have trouble with (and I include myself in this) is understanding that a childhood diagnosis does not always mean "better outcome." Sometimes it can be worse, and sometimes it can make no difference.

I didn't have a label, but teachers unfortunately did not adapt to me. I am not sure that a diagnosis would have changed that. I lean toward "highly unlikely."

My biggest problems were not directly related to whether I had a label at any rate.



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12 Dec 2012, 12:47 am

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If bloomers can significantly increase their functioning levels from MF/LF to HF, can this apply to people who were HF autistics to begin with? Can they go off the autism spectrum and even 'bloom' into sociable, extraverted characters? It seems that HF autistics' level of functioning increases from your data, im just wondering if HF autistic bloomers exist, ones who get rid of the label and even become sociable by NT standards?


I think the main difference is usually that blooming is learning language, which causes a dramatic increase in functioning for many people. There is, of course, HF people who improve to the point where they are no longer diagnosable, but that's not nearly as dramatic as the blooming case.


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12 Dec 2012, 12:50 am

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Argh, yes! What is it with parents in denial trying to insist their autistic children are "just gifted" and don't really need any help? Giftedness is nice, but it doesn't cancel out autism, and it doesn't make it any easier on you when you have no idea why you're supposed to be "so smart" and you're "being rebellious" because you can't do what kids half your age do instinctively.


This is one of the most frustrating elements of my childhood. I don't think I caught up in terms of being able to cope with classrooms until I was in college, and even then I had significant trouble lasting for longer than a single semester.

I did have one year in a special ed class geared toward students like myself (normal to gifted intelligence, significant classroom difficulties) and did well. I nearly attended a high school that was geared similarly but my father decided it would be "special treatment" and thus "unfair".

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I'm not in the "bloomer" category; I have always been somewhere in the moderate range and probably always will be. But the fact remains: I was obviously autistic as a toddler, and nothing was done about it. It might have been more obvious if I had been non-verbal rather than simply having a library of phrases to fit into the patterns of speech--but I'm pretty sure my mom would have been in just as much denial as she was, and just as insistent that I was just being a bratty, strong-willed, badly-disciplined child.


Yes to the nonverbal. The fact that I spoke early (at 10 months) was meaningful, but the fact that the way I spoke was effectively in pattern matched "macros" or phrases most of the time was apparently not.



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12 Dec 2012, 1:27 am

One part of my education plan was that I learned eberrything through my eyes instead of my ears. The class listened to the teacher, and I read books and did worksheets on my own. This bypassed my problems with speech processing. I learned in the most effective way for me. On my own, I was also able to hyper focus and tune out the sensory stuff. The teachers didn't know about the autism, but this plan was just right for me. I enjoyed my isolation, autistic aloneness prrrfrrrt for me.

Of course, this plan is also super easy for teachers. Just give child some stuff to wor on, see if the work on it, and if they do, leave them alone.



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12 Dec 2012, 1:44 am

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One part of my education plan was that I learned eberrything through my eyes instead of my ears. The class listened to the teacher, and I read books and did worksheets on my own. This bypassed my problems with speech processing. I learned in the most effective way for me. On my own, I was also able to hyper focus and tune out the sensory stuff. The teachers didn't know about the autism, but this plan was just right for me. I enjoyed my isolation, autistic aloneness prrrfrrrt for me.


This is not unlike my one year in special ed. I was allowed to study at my own pace. No lectures. Worked out very well.



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12 Dec 2012, 3:57 am

Academically, yes. Socially, to an extent. In other areas, yes. Big changes in adolescence almost overnight. More like high medium to very high, rather than low to high.



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12 Dec 2012, 7:40 am

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equestriatola wrote:
*shrug* Is there some sort of test I can take online for an answer?


The best thing I can recommend for you to determine the answer to your current level of functioning would be the Global Assessment of Functioning test. Also, what was your level of functioning when you were originally diagnosed on the autism spectrum? Those 2 things should together give you the best answer for the poll question.


I was pretty high functioning, IIRC.


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12 Dec 2012, 12:14 pm

Come to think of it, I did develop as a "bloomer" in one area--mathematics.

In third grade, I was doing first-grade work.

In fifth grade, I was caught up and doing fifth-grade work at an average level of accuracy, but a slow rate because I had not yet memorized any but the simplest math tables.

In high school, I was doing high-school level work and getting good grades, and finally memorized the multiplication table.

And now in college I am doing high-level math which most people never get to, such as differential equations and statistical analysis of research data.

My theory is that I lagged at first because I cannot memorize a concept unless I understand the idea behind it. So while my classmates just memorized things, I tried to understand them, but was not developmentally ready to do so. Only once I was ready to understand "XY=Z" could I memorize "8*6=48".

I'd be willing to bet that the "bloomer" pattern is not "first slow then catching up", but simply atypical development which can be interpreted as steady progress on its own schedule.


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