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10 Dec 2012, 6:24 am

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Cross-race effect

Is asperger's an extreme form of racism? The cross-race effect describes the inability of some people to process faces and facial expression of people who are of a race or ethnic group other than their own. So do people with autism spectrum see themselves as their own ethnicity, confused by the "foreigners" around them? Could this be related to ethnic mixing, where some people may not identify with the people around them as members of the same ethnic group?


Uh, no.

Racism is when you have a bias against or for someone purely based on race. Institutional racism is when certain groups of people are discriminated against on (obviously) an institutional level, i.e, being denied jobs based on race, being segregated based on race, etc. I'm not a social scientist, so i really can't get into all the details, but all in all, racism is an irrational belief about another person based on their race. Racism is socially engineered.

Aspergers is a neurological condition that inhibits important areas of development such as social development, communication, empathy, etc. It has nothing to do with bigotry.



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10 Dec 2012, 7:06 am

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I think this topic can only be discussed once we can have objective, unbiased views on racism.

What almost all people never realize is that most of our sociopolitical achievements (such as making racism, fascism, sexism, etc unacceptable) are just a swap of extremes, that is instead of bashing the one group you just equally bash the other. The mostly undetermined, easy to influence people, group with the minority and become the majority, hence the previously dominant group becomes the minority. As a side effect, the common view of the vast majority becomes that every single belief/idea/action/effect of that group is unjustifiable and unfounded. A faux simplified image of the group is created in which nothing that makes sense can support their ideas and beliefs, in order to support the own viewpoint. E.g. just like black people were stereotyped as inferior and less intelligent in the past, now racist are commonly stereotyped as some kind of dumb redneck or hatred-guided psychopath or misguided teenager who was just in the wrong social group, or whatever loosely fits into real circumstances. This will be the case, as long as the now-minority is still present and perceived as (a significant) possible threat or as long as something needs to be easily justified based on those objectively incorrect views.

Given that effect, there cannot be an objective discussion over such subject with people who have not clearly emancipated from the commonly held views, beliefs and stereotypes of society.

Otherwise I could tell you how it fits together.



This is nonsense.


Complete and utter nonsense! What actually happens is judging others based on race becomes less and less acceptable as we become more civilised as a society. Nb. This is not a transference of views - it is realising that unfounded prejudice is plain wrong.


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10 Dec 2012, 8:48 am

Admittedly, it was nonsensical to mention this, because everyone who begins to realize the collective subjectivity of their group will ultimately face negative consequences for having a deviant non-conforming possibly socially unacceptable viewpoint, if expressed, and if not feel constantly misunderstood. In any case, you will only experience disadvantages.
I can neither argue against collective ignorance nor politically heated subjects, especially if it basically requires you to go into amounts of discussion that no one is willing to keep up with.

I hope though, that some people will see or already saw the greater pattern to it, and seek to eliminate cognitive and social bias, disregarding all personal benefit, for the sake of gaining greater clarity and understanding.

In my world, the outcome doesn't justify the means and what's most true is that which is most rational and coherent, and not what is agreed upon by some majority or social consent.


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15 May 2013, 9:13 pm

On the contrary, most aspies are free from racism and sexism- and homophobia too for that matter



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15 May 2013, 9:25 pm

I do not see myself as a different ethnicity, autism is a mental/neurological disorder not an ethnicity. Also not sure that is even an example of racism would an inability to process faces and facial expressions of a different race nessisarily indicate feelings of superiority toward that race? Or a clash of different cultures with different social norms?

I feel like someone with a brain that works differently than the typical person, but thats not an ethnicity.


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15 May 2013, 10:33 pm

The cross-race effect develops over time because of exposure to people of a particular race.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566514/

"Early experience with faces of a given racial type facilitates visual recognition for this type of face relative to others."

http://www.pallier.org/papers/Sangrigol ... ldraft.pdf

We don't develop a typical ability to recognize even those faces we're exposed to. So yeah, you could say "a form of racism" but that would be a misleading way of putting it.



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15 May 2013, 10:50 pm

Ohiophile wrote:
Is asperger's an extreme form of racism?

No.

Ohiophile wrote:
... do people with autism spectrum see themselves as their own ethnicity, confused by the "foreigners" around them?

Some do, some don't.

Ohiophile wrote:
Could this be related to ethnic mixing, where some people may not identify with the people around them as members of the same ethnic group?

There is no valid empirical evidence to support the claim that ethnic mixing causes any Autistic Spectrum Disorder, including Asperger's Syndrome. To presume otherwise is to make a racist presumption.



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16 May 2013, 4:23 am

Interesting thought... not sure if the OP really applies to me but I definitely don't think of myself as any of the cultures in my background. I just think of myself as me.


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16 May 2013, 9:57 pm

Is this saying that aspies are racist? I am not racist at all. I'm mixed race (75% white, 25% Mexican) and most of my friends are of other cultures and races. I think racism is ridiculous, and it has nothing to do with Asperger's.



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17 May 2013, 9:00 am

I have a feeling people don't understand the OP.

It is true, but misleading. A clearer way of putting it would be "people learn to read the sort of faces they see around them (usually their own race) but aspies do not, so it's as though aspies have no race". At least, I think that's what the OP is trying to say. When you use a word like "racism", people stop listening and respond to their own projections.



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17 May 2013, 5:12 pm

Nonperson wrote:
I have a feeling people don't understand the OP.

It is true, but misleading. A clearer way of putting it would be "people learn to read the sort of faces they see around them (usually their own race) but aspies do not, so it's as though aspies have no race". At least, I think that's what the OP is trying to say. When you use a word like "racism", people stop listening and respond to their own projections.


So... the OP was not saying one kind of meaningless nonsense. He was saying ANOTHER kind of meaningless nonsense.

Lol!

Well that sure makes a BIG difference!
Thanks for straightening THAT out for us!

Lol!



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19 May 2013, 12:41 am

I wonder how easy people of one race who have always been exposed to people of other races on a daily basis compare to those of one race who don't often see people of other races.

If I had to hazard a guess, it would be that people of one race are often less successful at identifying people of another race than their own is because if they aren't exposed to individuals of the other race very much they probably haven't trained their brain to pick out identifying characteristics very well for people of the other race.

If so, that is enormously different than prosopagnosia which is the result of a developmental problem with or damage to the part of the brain that identifies people, thought with reason to be the area known as the right fusiform gyrus.

To base an argument of racism on such a gross misunderstanding is beyond ridiculous.

Here's a hint regarding race -- you are the same race as your parents or the same mix of races you get from your parents. There is no Autistic Race.