if I hear about Temple Grandin one more time...

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Currently, Americans consume a lot of meat, probably more than is actually healthy (I say probably, but I am sure research will back this up). At the time Temple Grandin started her work, actually promoting cutting down meat consumption was not likely to work. Yes, these animals are being slaughtered and yes it is well within reason to question the moral and ethical ramifications of using animals like this. However, Dr. Grandin's practical solution to the inhumane ways animals were treated was to find humane ways to handle them.

In the situation where animals are going to be slaughtered no matter what, Dr. Grandin's measures are worthwhile to take.

Also, there's research like this going on. That is, finding ways to grow edible meat that does not involve raising and slaughtering animals.

The question of how healthy it is to eat meat or be an ovo-lacto vegetarian is not really an argument that will gain much traction. People do things that are not the 100% healthiest thing they could do, and they will defend their decisions because at the base of it, such decisions are theirs to make.

Thank you Rascal77.

Keep in mind that if mankind went vegetarian, a number of common species would likely become quite rare or even vanish entirely since there would no longer be any economic benefit to keeping them around except in zoos.

I stumbled across the following meme the other day:



Whether or not you find it funny, the point raised is an interesting one. Animals which are eaten by the Venus Fly Trap (the plant in the picture) die a very nasty death. According to Wikipedia, the trap is set off by trigger hairs on the inside of the lobes which form the trap. If the animal is small enough to escape from the closed trap, the trap will re-open in 12 hours, otherwise:

Plants have nerves too, and can feel pain and think...so we shuold stop eating plants, veggies too and go extinct ourselves.

Or we should proceed like the native Americans who knew they had to survive cold winters and asked for forgiveness from the buffalo and told him the the neede to eat hima nd that his skin would be used for shoes, tent and clothing...this is the entire thing, we don't respect what we eat anymore...that is because we have inherited a supermarket culture. Lots of kids have never seen a real cow in their lives.

The Dalai Lama wanted to go vegetarian and did that for a sting until he went down with hepatitis and his doctor said that it wasn't for him and needed to return to his previous habits of eating meat.
A bit of hypocrisy for the monks too, as they don't even want to kill a mosquito, but ask muslems or non-Buddhists to slaugher cows and pigs for them....

Cattle are going to keep being slaughtered whether some people are vegan or vegetarian or not

If they are going to be slaughtered it's better it is done in a humane way

Ideally no cattle would be slaughtered but it's a fact that if we didn't eat meat these cattle wouldn't even exist as there would be no need for them so they wouldn't have been bred for their meat in the first place ie they exist because we eat them

In life you get to realise more and more as you get older that nothing in life will ever be exactly as you want it it to be and that you will often need to compromise and accept the lesser of two evils

There's no harm at all in standing up for what you believe in and fighting to change things but in the meantime a compromise has to be accepted as that's how life tends to work

It is all what you believe in, dear...The native Americans saw brothers and sisters in everything...so do I and I believe. A belief which was recently proved by scientists when they see palnst come alive and grow better with classical music and 'cringe' with hardrock/heavy metal.
Long time also we believed fish couldn't feel anything? Well they do actually feel pain too when that hook gets into theri mouth or cheek.
Plants talk telepathically (to you , that is what southa american Indians say who thus discovered plants's remedies against migraines, cancer, etc). Ever heard of the book Secrets of Plants? We are all related in this cosmos and all have a nervous system..,and about education wasted, yes, lots has been wasted by teaching us the wrong things we don't need or ever use in life, cramming our brain with nonsens, but failing to teach us how to live,like survival and how not to get lost in nature...do we learn how to orientate ourselves with the stars? NO.