How many people do you think R born NT & develop into As

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that's why parental history is taken, even for adult diagnosis - you can't get diagnosis without a history because you need to show that traits were present from early childhood at the very least.

Anyways all aspies are born defective, if you weren't then you have something else, they may be calling it aspergers but it isn't.

not defective - different!

In the UK most professionals no longer even recognise the term "disorder" in relation to autism we use "condition" because there are both strengths and weaknesses

I was not born damaged, nor was my son, nor were my students, and my daughter may have a lot of s**t to deal with because of her comorbid conditions but she is truly amazing and can think in ways nobody else I know could even dream of, she's certainly not defective but probably the single most intelligent and creative person I have ever met.

It's attitudes like yours that make life harder for everyone on the spectrum, we may have challenges to face but we also have a huge amount to offer and the world would be a much less interesting place without us. Our contributions to science and art in particular have enriched our societies for thousands of years and in the past we may well have been seen as special - unusual people may have been better appreciated within smaller less complex systems, it is probably only in our current social climate that our differences with sensory processing and communication make life so hard for people on the spectrum and so difficult for us to find a comfortable place to exist.

Don't get me wrong, I am not someone who thinks we're the next step in evolution or superior to other people, mainly because I am certain we are not new but have always been here and are simply part of the genetic diversity of the human race, and anything that makes life harder for people to survive in the world cannot be a step forward. Some people are so badly affected they are in constant pain, or confusion, or fear (my daughter has lived with pain all her life because she is on the spectrum and a couple of her comorbids are particularly nasty) and that cannot ever be a good thing.

I experience the challenges of living with being different myself and have worked with people who have far, far more to deal with - I consider myself very fortunate not to be affected so badly by my sensory differences that I can't function without significant support - but I still cannot see us as defective, only different.

To me that sounds like the only place you have found understanding and support is with your wonderful family; I'm sorry we live in a world that excludes people like us so badly and doesn't help us learn the skills we need to live the happy and fulfilled lives we deserve. I've had my share of problems and haven't had an easy time socially but I have found friends and colleagues who understand and support me and I did find love and build a family with my partner. I can only hope that as the world becomes more aware that tolerance of our different ways of being and thinking, and support to help us feel more comfortable and more socially accepted will mean that fewer of our children will have to endure the same hardships.

Whenever I feel life is just too much and nobody cares or understands I look at my son who is now in university and supported by a fantastic team who love him to bits and remember that if he had been born 50 years ago he would have been institutionalised from a very early age - if he managed to survive at all.

I think that would not be Asperger's by definition, because developing it later in life contradicts the criteria if I recall correctly. So would the delays in developmental milestones (walking and talking) you mentioned, incidentally: until recently the lack of such delays distinguished Asperger's from Autism, and now they aren't mentioned in ASD criteria.

So to answer your question, none, though one might develop symptoms that resemble it.

Mmm I wonder what label would they use instead if someone had autistic traits and they met enough for the criteria but they didn't have them in their early childhood? Sometimes doctors will slap a label on someone for closest match for a diagnoses so they can get the help they need. What other labels can they slap on them that explains their problems?

Sometimes children who were abused or neglected so they develop autistic like symptoms get diagnosed with PDD-NOS.

People are born with it, end of story.

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Hmm, that's interesting. Major brain changes can make you develop something like autism. There's an acquired form of ADHD from traumatic brain injury - so why not autism?

I've been autistic since at least 2 years old, and it's probably most of a developed in womb type of thing with me. After I developed epilepsy though my symptoms are way worse.

I think it is entirely possible to develop a disorder that mimics the symptoms of autism/AS. I think there should be an acquired type too. It's not fair to just reject these people and either call them NT or always having AS. I know what a simple brain lesion can do to you. OK, so it's not so simple. But I've got some crazy strong synaesthesia now and I'm even more hyperactive than before, yet I burn out so easily. And my sensory sensitivity, is way worse.

Where was the surgery performed, by the way? Maybe it was near those areas that affect autism the most. Frontal lobe or temporal.