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30 Dec 2012, 4:44 am

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Test taken on 29 December 2012: You scored 16.0 out of 22 in 7.7 seconds

the problem with this test is that is was designed by Baron-Cohen. a great deal of the things he takes for granted about empathy and emotional intelligence, especially regarding gender differences, is not necessarily reliable or valid in the real world.

interestingly... for empathy tests, if men do not know they are being tested, they will score the same as women. society tells men they don't understand emotions and can't "read" what people are feeling, so they believe it. but if you trick them by testing them on the sly, they are no worse than women at reading emotions.

that's interesting..although since they have that stigma they will be worse at it in real world situations

that is totally true, yes. the only way they could get an accurate result was to trick the test subjects (they set up a situation with a loved one where they had to guess what they were thinking or feeling, if i recall correctly, but they were never told what they were being tested for)

So you would basically have to manipulate them for the accurate score.

Not all manipulation is bad.

no manipulation, just basic study tactics where they don't tell you ahead of time what they are researching. this prevents the subjects from manipulating their responses to fit the predetermined social expectations. it's fairly typical for a research study, unless researchers are blind to how society has influenced our thoughts about ourselves.

Verdandi, yes. it is very powerful. another study found that women scored significantly lower on a math test when they had to write their gender at the top of the test before answering questions. there was no other difference between the tests that 2 groups of women completed. when society tells men and women over and over that they are different, it makes them different.

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30 Dec 2012, 7:32 pm

Do you have any details on this research? It looks very interesting.

If you look through his original papers, Prof Simon B-C admits his results are not very conclusive and that this test is not very accurate. I included this test on the Aspie Tests website because as far as I know it doesn't appear anywhere else. I have to say I do find the Aspie tests results intriguing. When I created that version of the test I added a timer, expecting Aspies to be significantly slower than NTs. The actual results seem to indicate otherwise.

I think Noetic may have a very good point. I do well on this type of test but in real life I have failed pretty spectacularly sometimes. There is a huge difference between an on-line test and real life where you aren't concentrating specifically on interpreting emotions and lots of other things are happening at the same time.

There are a few other possible problems with this test:
You do also have to wonder how many of the people who say they are NT actually are. People have to take these tests for a reason and I don't see that many NTs who are mostly unaware of Autism are likely to ever take them. If you look at the results of some of the other tests a significant number of 'NT's score very high on the AQ, RAADS etc. Another problem is the sample size. As very few NTs take the tests, a few low scorers will significantly affect the results.

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30 Dec 2012, 7:34 pm

Here's the page with the link to the study:

http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/arc_tests

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30 Dec 2012, 8:55 pm

Verdandi wrote:

Here's the page with the link to the study:
http://www.autismresearchcentre.com/arc_tests

Oops, I should have been clearer. I meant these studies:

hyperlexian wrote:

interestingly... for empathy tests, if men do not know they are being tested, they will score the same as women. society tells men they don't understand emotions and can't "read" what people are feeling, so they believe it. but if you trick them by testing them on the sly, they are no worse than women at reading emotions.

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another study found that women scored significantly lower on a math test when they had to write their gender at the top of the test before answering questions. there was no other difference between the tests that 2 groups of women completed. when society tells men and women over and over that they are different, it makes them different.

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30 Dec 2012, 9:47 pm

Women and math:

http://www.leedsmet.ac.uk/carnegie/lear ... Threat.pdf

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31 Dec 2012, 7:08 am

Test taken on 31 December 2012: You scored 6.0 out of 22 in 7.3 seconds

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31 Dec 2012, 7:17 am

I've tried about 5 times to take this test, but scene 7 never loads once you press play, it stays black so I can't continue the test.

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31 Dec 2012, 7:53 am

Test taken on 31 December 2012: You scored 9.0 out of 22 in 10.2 seconds

Just another verification,,,,I have difficulity with facial recognition of any kind.

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31 Dec 2012, 8:25 am

RazorEddie wrote:

i read most of it in "Delusions of Gender" by Cordelia Fine. she doesn't do any original research herself, but she compiles and explains a massive amount of information from credible sources. she is able to find a great deal of information that fairly clearly explains that "male" and "female" minds are sociocultural constructs and not biological realities.

Cordelia is well worth reading just because of the treatment the "extreme male brain" gets in her book.

http://www.cordeliafine.com/delusions_of_gender.html

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NEW "Cordelia Fine's first book, the highly acclaimed A Mind of Its Own, had as a general theme the foundation-shaking notion that you hitherto haven't had nearly as much control over your opinions as you thought. In Delusions of Gender, she turns this scholarly bulldozer on scientific claims of inherent differences between female and male cognitive abilities. ...Fine's discussion is about much more than just neuroscientific studies of gender differences - for starters, it contains an excellent introduction to the scientific method in general. The style is reminiscent of Ben Goldacre's Bad Science; at times sardonic, at others fantastically funny. ... Fine herself notes that it's hard to convince anyone that there is much new to say about gender, but she has met that challenge, bringing the paradigm shift of Germaine Greer's The Female Eunuch to the scientifically-minded audience of the 21st century."

British Neuroscience Association Bulletin

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31 Dec 2012, 10:05 am

whirlingmind wrote:

I've tried about 5 times to take this test, but scene 7 never loads once you press play, it stays black so I can't continue the test.

That's odd. All the player does is download flash videos and play them. If it plays the first 6 it should load the rest. I got a report of this fault through the Aspie tests contact page. Was that you?

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31 Dec 2012, 10:12 am

Thanks Hyperlexian. I've just ordered a copy.

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31 Dec 2012, 1:31 pm

RazorEddie wrote:

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I've tried about 5 times to take this test, but scene 7 never loads once you press play, it stays black so I can't continue the test.

Yes it was me.

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31 Dec 2012, 2:32 pm

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Yes it was me.

I wonder if it was a cache issue. Did you try clearing your cache or using a different browser?

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31 Dec 2012, 5:48 pm

Test taken on 31 December 2012: You scored 18.0 out of 22 in 7.2 seconds

The average score for males with ASD is 12.3 out of 22 in 9.2 seconds
The average score for females with ASD is 11.4 out of 22 in 7.4 seconds
The average score for males with suspected ASD is 12.6 out of 22 in 10.8 seconds
The average score for females with suspected ASD is 12.2 out of 22 in 10.9 seconds
The average score for male neurotypicals is 9.7 out of 22 in 15.0 seconds
The average score for female neurotypicals is 14.8 out of 22 in 8.9 seconds

Neurotypicals on average score lower?

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06 Jan 2013, 11:18 pm

This test just doesn't 'do' anything!! Nobody goes round their day to day life with flashcards of emotions and says that person is feeling exactly that word. Emotions are far more complex than this test implies.

It would make more sense to show clips then ask how you would respond back to the person.

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06 Jan 2013, 11:36 pm

Test taken on 6 January 2013: You scored 13.0 out of 22 in 7.4 seconds

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