Is Asperger's overdiagnosed or underdiagnosed?

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Do you think that AS is overdiagnosed or underdiagnosed?
Overdiagnosed; 38%  38%  [ 25 ]
Nor overdiagnosed, neither underdiagnosed; 22%  22%  [ 14 ]
Underdiagnosed. 40%  40%  [ 26 ]
Total votes : 65

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04 Jan 2013, 2:43 pm

It shows up differently in everyone. I'd trust the professional diagnosis that the person has enough autistic traits to be diagnosed.

Also I agree that it's under-diagnosed, especially in women



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04 Jan 2013, 2:43 pm

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Asperger's diagnoses will not simply evaporate, the vast majority of individuals would be absorbed into ASD under the DSM-5. Without proper attention female individuals who are under-diagnosed in regards to AS under the DSM-4 will continue to be under-diagnosed in regards to ASD under the DSM-5.


drewski56 - an interesting link

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillin ... l-to-zero/

I dont think 10% is accurate as an estimate or statistically insignificant.

Personally I think its under-diagnosed in both men and women.



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04 Jan 2013, 3:52 pm

Overdiagnosed; especially when the apparently high number of people who self-diagnose is taken into account.



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04 Jan 2013, 3:54 pm

self "diagnosis" is not a diagnosis.

Do some research on women with Asperger's and you will amend your view on over-diagnosis.


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04 Jan 2013, 3:56 pm

Kairi96 wrote:
This is weird. I see people claiming that AS is overdiagnosed, but I see others saying that AS is underdiagnosed. But most experts say that it's nor overdiagnosed neither underdiagnosed.
Personally, I think that it's overdiagnosed. I have my reasons to think so: I saw people that claimed to have AS and were much more better than me: they looked very outgoing, had no obsessions that absorbed all their time like happens to me most of the times and the "condition" didn't seem to have a negative impact on their lives after all. My mother thinks the same: she saw people claiming to have AS that, according to her, neither showed enough AS symptoms to make a diagnosis. I can trust my mother because she's quite an expert about autism. And after all, I don't think AS is common. I met just very few people with AS in all my life (they were 4 or 5). I don't exactly know if it's me being a bit more low-functioning than those people or just AS being overdiagnosed. Please note that this doesn't mean I am discussing the diagnosis on people of this forum.
What do you think about this?



I think it's just a personal opinion. I don't know who is right.

Is your mother an autism specialist or what?


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04 Jan 2013, 4:00 pm

I wish diagnosis was not viewed so black and white - though obviously that is a common feature of AS.

Many people are self-diag before they get actually diag. are they not Aspies if they dont follow through with a formal diagnosis?

That does not ring true for me.



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04 Jan 2013, 4:08 pm

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A classic example is practitioners who diagnose NVLD as Aspergers/ASD in individuals without stims, intense interests, or other characteristic behaviors.

And who's to say that some cases of AS aren't really a form of NVLD? The DSM-5 sure isn't bothering to clarify this matter any. I have both NVLD and AS, but I believe that, in reality, my form of AS is really just a severe form of NVLD.


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04 Jan 2013, 4:10 pm

The women's subforum is alien to me. I identify more with autistic men on wp. But I do identify with the few autistic women I have met in person.



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04 Jan 2013, 4:34 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
A classic example is practitioners who diagnose NVLD as Aspergers/ASD in individuals without stims, intense interests, or other characteristic behaviors.

And who's to say that some cases of AS aren't really a form of NVLD? The DSM-5 sure isn't bothering to clarify this matter any. I have both NVLD and AS, but I believe that, in reality, my form of AS is really just a severe form of NVLD.


Maybe if you have all the NVLD traits but none of the autism-specific traits? Like I said, my doctor (not the same one who diagnosed me) admitted to diagnosing individuals with other developmental disabilities like NVLD and auto-immune problems with Aspergers for insurance purposes. Were it not for the travesty of private insurance in the United States, there might be a lot fewer diagnoses of Aspergers.



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04 Jan 2013, 4:44 pm

I think overdiagnosis is significantly less of an issue than people seem to want to believe. I think it is more likely that people who need diagnoses to access services and treatments are missed than it is that too many people are covered.



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04 Jan 2013, 5:02 pm

answeraspergers wrote:
Many people are self-diag before they get actually diag. are they not Aspies if they dont follow through with a formal diagnosis?

That does not ring true for me.


Indeed. At least where I am, there's no proper service for adult diagnosis. The best we can get (without going private) is a screening.



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04 Jan 2013, 5:06 pm

The biggest evaluation system in the United States is the US Department of Defense, where I believe it is an automatic bar to service. They screen hundreds of thousands of young adults every year, and they run background checks that would at least pick up a DX that was told to the school district. I would expect an example by now.


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04 Jan 2013, 5:11 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I think overdiagnosis is significantly less of an issue than people seem to want to believe. I think it is more likely that people who need diagnoses to access services and treatments are missed than it is that too many people are covered.


That's just it. There is no 'over' or 'under' to it. There is only diagnosis. Underdiagnosis assumes that there are people in need of a psychiatric evaluation who, for reasons of varying nature, have no access to this. It's a sure bet that this occurs; everywhere, but in some places more than others. They aren't diagnosed. But they're autistic.

A diagnosis clears things up. It places a name on a certain condition, on a complex of symptoms. It opens up a door to taking - hopefully appropriate- steps toward making life a bit easier.
But a diagnosis should NOT be treated as an identity tag, as something that defines one's be-all-and-end-all set in stone.


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04 Jan 2013, 5:13 pm

I find this a really confusing topic since the objectives of diagnosis seem to vary so dramatically from one person or place to another. Even before you begin to broach what actually constitutes an ASD trait, you have this issue of the level of 'impairment'. Surely this is the wrong way round?

If you sprain your ankle and go to the doctor, you will be diagnosed with a sprained ankle irrespective of whether you managed to hobble to the doctor's office or had to be carried. Once the nature of the issue is established, then you begin to consider the level of impairment. E.g. are painkillers/anti-inflammatories required, and at what strength? Will a splint be needed or will a firm bandage do the trick? Should they provide you with a crutch, or do you already have access to one?

It should be the same for ASDs. First establish if a person fits the pattern of traits and diagnose them as either fitting or not fitting that neurological framework. Then at least they'll have a better understanding of who they are and how they work even if they seem to be doing fine for the most part. Then assess what further intervention is required, if any at all. In the case of the DSM-V, I would suggest that the impairment levels include a 'Level 0' which is to say that only very minor support or perhaps no support at all is required e.g. basic education as to the condition. Then people could be reassessed at intervals and move up and down these impairment levels throughout life so that appropriate support can be allocated at different stages.

I know this doesn't help solve the ongoing questions about where to draw the line between ASDs and non-ASDs, but I do think it's a real mistake to look at it from the perspective of impairment first and issue second. It distorts everything from the very start and leaves less room to objectively consider where to draw that line. In short, I don't know if the answer to the question is over- or under- because I'm not sure I understand exactly what is being diagnosed.

I realise that what I'm saying may seem to completely miss the point or sound like rubbish to many, but I have reasons for my point of view. However, I can't explain them without writing an even more unappetisingly long post so I think I'll wait to see what objections come up first :P .


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04 Jan 2013, 5:26 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
I agree with the academic community that AS probably is neither over- nor underdiagnosed. I think that ASDs are being overdiagnosed in the < 18 community, but I think that ASDs are underdiagnosed in those > 18. And thus, the amount of diagnoses balances out in these two groups.


This.


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04 Jan 2013, 5:34 pm

Thats a great post. I like it.

The whole DSM model sucks. 30% of conditions are "not otherwise specified", 70% of the task force have conflicts of interest, the process lacked transparency throughout....................

The systemic problems are obvious and diagnosis must become about genes and brain scans not vague books written on subjective judgements on criteria that is ill defined and biased.

The problem is the DSM model and the organisations and interest parties involved. A radical rethink is required to the whole subject. Rather than "diagnosis" of such things ending "NOS" - in other words - they dont know. "Here is a useless label and I charge by the hour as I talk you through confusion on a by the hour model".