What Would The World Look Like if Aspies Were the Majority?

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14 Jan 2013, 12:21 am

Anomiel wrote:
Interesting question, I've been thinking of that myself. Probably the accommodations for us would be as invisible as the current accommodations directed at NTs are.
There's a humorous take on seeing neuro-typicalness as a disorder here -> http://isnt.autistics.org/



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DSN-IV (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of 'Normal' Disorders)

Disorders Usually First Evident in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence

666.00 Neurotypic Disorder


The essential features constitute a severe form of Invasive Developmental Disorder, with onset in infancy or childhood.

Diagnostic criteria for 666.00 Neurotypic Disorder

At least eight of the following sixteen items are present, these to include at least two items from A, one from B, and one from C.

Note: Consider a criterion to be met only if the behavior is abnormal for the person's developmental level.

A. Qualitative impairment in independent social interaction as manifested by the following:

(The examples within parentheses are arranged so that those first mentioned are more likely to apply to younger or more handicapped, and the later ones, to older or less handicapped, persons with this disorder.)

(1) marked delusional sense of awareness of the existence or feelings of others (e.g., treats a person as if he or she were an extention of himself; behaves as if clairavoyant of another person's distress; apparently projects own concepts and needs onto others)

(2) extreme or abnormal seeking of comfort at times of distress (e.g., constantly comes for comfort even when ill, hurt, or tired; seeks comfort in a stereotyped way, e.g., cries, whines needs demands for attention whenever hurt)

(3) constant or mindless imitation (e.g., always wave bye-bye; copies mother's domestic activities; mechanical imitation of others' actions whenever perceived to be in context)

(4) constant or excessive social play (e.g., always actively participates in simple games; prefers group play activities; involves other children in play only as long as the other children are exactly like themselves with no differences "mirrored images")

(5) gross impairment in ability to make peer friendships (e.g., obsessive interest in making peer friendships with other Neurotypics; despite interest in making friends and afore mentioned delusion of clairavoyance, demonstrates lack of understanding for those who are different and an obsessive rigidity for social convention, for example, constantly seeks attention/positive reinforment while staring mocking or laughing at others while they stim and rock and remain mute)

B. Qualitative impairment in verbal and nonverbal communication, and in imaginative activity, as manifested by the following:

(The numbered items are arranged so that those first listed are more likely to apply to younger or more handicapped, and the later ones, to older or less handicapped, persons with this disorder.)

(1) blatent overuse of all modes of communication, such as communicative babbling, facial expression, gesture, mime, or spoken language

(2) markedly abnormal nonverbal communication, as in the use of eye-to- eye gaze, facial expression, body posture, or gestures to initiate or modulate social interaction (e.g., anticipates and enjoys being held, does not stiffens when held, constantly looks at the other person or smiles when making a social approach, compulsively greets parents or visitors,insists on invasively stares into the eyes of others in social situations)

(3) excessive imaginative irrelevant activity, such as playacting of adult roles, fantasy characters, or animals, lack of interest in computers or other logical fullfilling pastimes

(4) marked abnormalities in the production of speech, including volume, pitch, stress, rate, rhythm, and intonation (e.g., gregarious grandious tone, overly emotional or syrupy melody, or overcontrolled pitch)

(5) marked abnormalities in the form or content of speech, including stereotyped and repetitive use of speech (e.g., immediate mindless or mechanical repetition of NT peers' latest 'in' or catch phrases) (e.g., "whatever" to mean "I am saying I disagree with you but I want you to be upset by my saying so in this way"); idiosyncratic use of words of phrases (e.g., "are you dissing me?" to mean "don't disrespect me"); or frequent irrelevant remarks (e.g., starts talking about the behavour of autistics at a table nearby during a meal at a restaurant)

(6) marked impairment in the ability to refrain from initiating a conversation or once initated to sustain a full thought during conversation with others, despite adequate speech (e.g., unable to stay ontopic/on thought due to the interjections from other Neurotypics)

C. Markedly restricted repertoire of activities and interests, as manifested by the following:

(1) inability or lack of understanding for or interest in stereotyped body movements, e.g., hand-flicking or -twisting, spinning, head-banging (except for during certain types of rock concerts), complex whole-body movements

(2) persistent lack of awareness or inability to perceive parts of objects (e.g., seeing 'a windmill' but failing to see the existance of the many beautiful finite parts which comprise the whole object, oblivion to feelings of texture of materials, spinning wheels of toy cars) or has an attachment to unusual objects (e.g., insists on driving around in a BMW, wearing Rolex watches, carrying a cellular phone or briefcase)

(3) marked oblivion to changes in aspects of environment, e.g., when a vase is moved from usual position

(4) unreasonable insistence in sameness in others in precise detail, e.g., insisting that exactly the same social behaviours always be followed when shopping

(5) markedly restricted range of interest and a preoccupation with one narrow interest, e.g., interested only in status quo climbing, impressing friends, or in pretending to be smarter or better than they are.

D. Onset during infancy or childhood.

Specify if childhood onset (after 36 months of age).

Author: Shelley from Kalamazoo

I often feel inadequate on this forum when people make fun of NTs.
While I am autistic in many ways, I'm NT in many ways too. I care about many of the things NTs care about, and I think that I have many of the same innate social rules as they do.
I'm pretty sure I even meet the diagnostic criteria for NT disorder :P.

I know it's all just banter to some people on the forum, but I feel hurt when it happens. It's like I'm seen as odd in the NT World, and the autistic World.



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14 Jan 2013, 12:23 am

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The obvious things, seems to be stuff like, there would be a lot less humans, simply because i think there would be a lot less urge to get kids or many.

Also i dont think there would be that many huge cities.

Personally my dream is someday to afford to get a house with a big plot of land, lots of room to plants a small forrest. I think that would be perfect for me.

Living in concrete jungles makes me depressed. I need to be around nature and animals to feel good.

My granduncle has a house surrounded by nature, part of it is a forest! Exactly what you said and I can say, I could spend my entire life in such an isolated home. The only downsides would be that one has to walk more to get to a grocery store and probably a bad internet connection. :lol:

I once told him how much I envy him, he laughed and said: "If you work hard, someday you could own something like this yourself!"


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14 Jan 2013, 8:52 am

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I don't think it would be that different actually. I have come to acquire a very bleak view of human nature myself and I think all the bad stuff such as selfishness, ignorance, bigotry, greed and hatred will still be there. I have witnessed all the nasty streaks that are found in NTs in people with AS as well, such as a desire for control over other people, deceit, destructive lust, envy, vengefulness, pettiness and egomania. People will always be people no matter where on the spectrum they are- in many ways we are still very much wild apes... who nevertheless possess the odd redeeming quality of course. It is too often the case that the people with a more ruthless nature -those who do not eschew the use of violence- end up on top and controlling things. Therefore I have serious doubts that a world dominated by people on the spectrum would necessarily be more rational and humane. Sorry to sound so extreme, actually I do not really mean it that way, but by just looking at the news or in a history book or by observing the nastiness surrounding oneself (or indeed residing inside oneself) everyday I cannot help but feel that way. Still that's no excuse to give up on humanity or the world and trying to make things at least a little bit better according to one's best ability and judgment.


I agree with you

I know myself well enough to know that if given ultimate power I would be dangerous!

I would have no problem whatsoever eliminating all the people who have hurt me and all the nasty types - it would seem a perfectly logical thing to do to me but obviously it's not right



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14 Jan 2013, 9:46 am

I think there would be little to no bullying. The streets would probably be very empty.

However, I fear we would still live in the stone age, because everybody was too busy stimming and finding patterns in rock structure to accomplish anything. :D



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14 Jan 2013, 9:50 am

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However, I fear we would still live in the stone age, because everybody was too busy stimming and finding patterns in rock structure to accomplish anything. :D


My thoughts are opposite... we would be much more advanced because of being obsessed about certain subjects and getting really good at them. We would have a Scientist's Culture.



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14 Jan 2013, 10:05 am

the world would look like this
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14 Jan 2013, 7:52 pm

technically we need NTs and they need us. We balsnce each other out. We are the lightbulbs and who produce unique and creative ideas and innovations, while NTs teach us how to master social communication and other life skills that we lack. both need the other



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15 Jan 2013, 11:08 am

Political disputes would rather battle things out in a game of chess than declare war or negotiate
In court rooms / political sessions / office meetings, "sensory recesses" would take place every 10 - 15 minutes :)
Most sports would be outlawed.
The leader of a given country would be allowed to orient + standardize their country based on their obsessions/compulsions (if any)

People with Aspergers would be considered first class citizens and hold a majority or political placements/high orders in society
HFAs would be considered second-class citizens (like the middle-class in some countries)
LFAs would probably be treated the same, but better to some extent
People with Tourettes or tic disorders would be almost like a minority in populace.
NTs would almost be rejected the same way we are today (because its human nature)

Eventually in the grand scheme of things, one lunatic (NT or not) will attempt to overthrow the system of government but bring up a terrorist organization to push their ideals. Chaos ensues.
Life continues as it is.
Eventually, the idea of a NT ruled world will be brought up, almost like we're planning world domination right now!

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17 Jan 2013, 10:53 am

Sanctus wrote:
However, I fear we would still live in the stone age, because everybody was too busy stimming and finding patterns in rock structure to accomplish anything. :D


"Finding patterns in rock structure" like discovering the mathematics of fractals? ;)

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17 Jan 2013, 1:51 pm

The world would be less stressful and more entertaining as well many things within life would not be so difficult to understand or comprehend..