Question for those against the DSM v merging of the autism s

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If you mean the interview, the woman is Lorna Wing, who is responsible for bringing Asperger's work into the English speaking world and ultimately with Asperger's Syndrome becoming a diagnosis. The man is Christopher Gillberg, who has done a significant amount of work on autism and Asperger's. In other words, these are people who have done a considerable amount of work to describe Asperger's Syndrome.

Would it be more correct to say that lack of social instincts is a core element of autism?

That's what I meant, that she focuses on the social elements - that is, the social deficits - as the core of autism. It seems to me that it is a processing disorder that impacts every part of one's brain and focusing on social deficits as the core element and the cause of everything else (such as special interests and repetitive behaviors) seems to be a bit erroneous.

To be fair, I agree with a lot of what she has to say as well.

between 2 and 4 minutes. if she replaced the word social with emotional i would agree totally.

does she oppose this change?

or did she really mean scd if aspergers is really hfa?

It can make sense, though it might not be right (who knows).

No social instinct can equal =

no social speech
not understanding people
socially naive
not learning nonverbal cues at the most important time in life
lacking social insight and being socially egocentric
lacking the desire for genuine social relations
funny ways of using social speech when it's attempted
even the lack of social speech can equal a delayed development of speech due to not using it
using routines to make sense of the seemingly chaotic social world (this may also come under sensory problems and that seems to be unrelated)

which can lead on to:

being in your head a lot
interests and obsessions taken to the extreme (no social, so let's obsess!)
social isolation

Some things, such as sensory perceptive problems don't seem to be related to this.

I agree it is a significant part of autism.

Yeah, the social aspects are key, but there is much more to autism than social. Researchers tend to focus on their area, whether social or perceptual or whatever.

The apa (as a undergrad psych student i learned very clearly that the apa is about makng incompetence profitable while also making impirical evidenc irrelevant. Aspergers is recognized by the ICD 10 as a diagnosable condition that is on the autism spectrum. As such there are a number of laws that require the proviion of support services by the state. All of this is lost when you rename/ recatagoize a DX. I have had enough diagnosise to fill a binder,(add, adhd, maj depression, distimia, anxiety, bi polar, mood d/o nos, odd, cd, i have had one that explained them all. My opinion is that aspergers is an entirely seperate experience from autism, however it is far more like autism than it is like the nipical (nt) experience. I would also argue that it has become what add was in the 80's, ie the standard dx for kids ho don't fit the mold. I know when the nonverbal 37 y/o male w/ a dx of pdd nos (apa-ish for asergers) that i work with as a job coach gets anxious, i do too. I might not feel compelled to get up and pace the room then hide in the bathroom (where you can escape and know you will be left alone) to me the thought is to get into my car an just run away, but i have hid in the bathroom enough times to know it when i see it. Yet for years i did not. It was a part of what made me a defective unit. It was the reason that seeing a beautiful woman made me feel like $h!t, it was the reason i learned to resent the majority of people i have interacted with, whether for haveing the confidence i lacked yet having none of the skills to back it up (ie the majority of my generation as well as those that followed) or the willingness to accept being nothing in this world and still thinking that the govt is out to get them . ,really you are such a threat to society by trumpeting for lasse fair economics and no level of social responsability that the govt is going to single you out!? (talk about narcissism) u would have been dead a long time ago if you were a real threat as opposed to a lunatic. Good luck using your assualt rifle against a preditor drone.

$H!t where was this rant going again, pretty ur it go sde tracked

In the video by Swedo, the chair of the DSM5 working group, she describes autism as a disorder of social-emotional reciprocity. That is interesting because before the DSM5 goes into effect, that was only a mandatory criterion requirement in the Gillberg criteria. I remember Verdandi suggesting that Asperger's becomes social-emotional reciprocity disorder in the ICD11, although I may not be remembering exactly what she said. If so, I think that is interesting in light of Swedo's focus on social emotional reciprocity as the core issue of autism spectrum disorder.

I think the DSM5 focuses in more on social/emotional reciprocity because of their focus on behavior rather than mysterious brain processes like social instinct and social imagination. Gillberg and Lord admit the neurological origin of social instinct and social imagination are not well understood.

I looked it up and saw that AS was being called social-emotional reciprocity disorder in ICD-11.

Thanks. It will be interesting to see how it is described in the ICD11.

Some recent research focuses on social motivation and social reward being reduced in autism.

I think I saw one study along that lines somewhere. That autistic people don't modify monetary donations based on being watched or not, but neurotypicals will donate more money if they're being watched at the time?

It's interesting stuff to me.

Yes, that one was about insensitivity to social reputation, that autistic people are not automatically taking the judgments of others into account. There was another study in which children were shown drawings and asked to rate them. Then, a person came and said that they drew the picture, and the children were asked to rate them again. And typical children upped their ratings, but autistic children did not.

That reminds me of the "like" phenomenon on facebook. The driving force of online social-emotional reciprocity.