The Neanderthal theory, your thoughts?

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wisdom teeth, ginger gene

this could be differences we can still see.

i think this hypothesis would include many others.

it would mean that autism would be very common in parts of france, spain, scotland, ireland, scandinavia, usa, australia...

but would it be able to explain the waves in incidence of autism?

this waves... for years they are able to stopp autoimmune reaction against the fetus, if mother is rh+ and father is rh-. many autoimmune reactions starts after offspring. some thought that vaccine would explain this (rubella and a vaccine against rhesus incompatibility) maybe some vaccines has been taken from serum of (rhesus-?)apes.

which criteria are to match from an autism hypothesis?

...starting crazy mode
...crazy mode established
...brain suppression activated

and read this:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... tid=358295

first case of multiple sclerosis after visit from british troops. anywhere i read most of them was scottish. in wwii many people take flight to other areas. many soldiers stayed at the new place. your ms risk is the risk of the area you life when you are 15 years old. i think this is in many cases after the first sexual activities.

sperm cools down the immune system of a female, a switch happens from th1 to th2 - a pregnancy with this partner is now possible. don´t know if it would also cool down the immune system from a male (aids...?)

this means not that some of them would be a natural biological weapon. it is more like an incompatibility.

edit: this repair kit from fetus (microchimerism) could be a modification kit (biological assimilation)

I have been called swamp-ape. I spent a lot of time out there, a peaceful place. Can't see very far, Little of it is solid enough to run on, so sound becomes very important, particularly at night. Little sounds and touchs let you know when you are being hunted, and when a snake is crawling over you. Water moccians run five foot, and thick as an arm. If you get bit, no problem, pick a tree, sit with your back against it, and watch the visions, till you die.

If you sit very still, it will warm it's self, stay for a while, and then go on. You are too large to eat, and if it has no reeason, it will save venom. Coral snakes bite is never fatal, it fits with Mescalin, Phycillaciben, morphine, which are drugs because they are natural brain chemicals, it gives waking dreams and messages. The small things they eat must be very happy as they are swallowed.

Gators are another matter, and at three hundred pounds, can move very quitely in the night. There is more going on at night, and gators hunt by stalking, they move and stop, wait, then when there is a covering sound, move again. They do not hurry. They advance, stop, wait, and a quarter hour may go by, they study the ground, plan the move, and when a bird cries in the night, advance again, quickly, then freeze. Move at a time, they close in, they do not care how long it takes, till they are close, then they move in a beautiful slow motion, in silence. The only sound perhaps a leaf or twig, brushing against their hide.

Being able to track small intermittent sound throught he night, pick them from the background, put the bits together, is the only way to know you are being hunted. Direction and range are very important, for when I hear it coming, I listen closely for sound from that spot, but do not forget to listen all around.

Their movement looks and sounds like a shadow of a tree, cast by the moon, they move that slowly, and the shadow advances. From twenty foot away they watch, and when you look away, they charge with amazing speed, still silent, and at the last, open their huge tooth studded mouths, to sieze you, then roll toward water, the rolling wraps you around their body, and it is like a steam roller, breaking most of your bones. Rolling into the water they hide you beneath a sunken tree, their larder, for they like their meat well hung. Chateau Briand, Tatar.

Blond in youth, then turned a copper, and by thirty-five brown. I took a litle girl out in the swamp, Did my gator call, and was answered by a half dozen, I pointed out where they were, and how large. My call is of a male gator, large enough to fight. So the big boys let me know where their claims are. We talked for a while, I called in another direction, and peace was restored. She has told the story several times, no one believes her, but she knows.

Hunting is not a group activity.

Just some quick things that I think would make being a Neanderthal aspie more difficult.......

I am clummsy as heck,always tripping over my feet and running into doorways or miss judging distances.Wouldnt be unlikely for me to walk off a cliff or get distracted by a plant while the rest of my clan hits the trail....I look up 20 min later and find myself ....alone...oooops.My written communication is better then my verbal.I find tags in clothing uncomfortable....dont know how I would react to inadequately scrapped fur clothing....(I do love the feel of fur on my face but I dont think the inside would feel very good to my skin...kind of itchy?)

I have always had an interest in nature...watching and collecting bits of it,so I think I would enjoy being an "inventor" finding new uses for plants,wood,making arrowheads.I love to climb things and push my body to the extream .Sounds more fun then most of my jobs but I will scratch a mosquito bite until it bleeds and then enjoy picking the scabs for then next few weeks....not to good for avoiding infection?

All in all,true or not,I think it's fun to think about and imagine......

"Many autistics are afraid of the sound of a motor-bike. A motor-bike sounds similar to a bear. It is possible that the instintive reaction of autistics when they hear the sound of a motor-bike triggers an ancient fear for cave-bears. "

HAHAHA

"Autistics have a fascination for slowly flowing water, but are afraid of floods and fast running streams."

We are? I'd like to see that scientific study and know who funded it!

I really like Neanderthals, especially that cute little child in the picture, but I just can't believe this.

The above examples aren't archeology. They be the bone men and they have a rep in the field as being crazier then we were and that isn't easy. Studing the past isn't easy. We made a lot of mistakes and left it to others to find other pieces of the puzzle, that disputed what we thought. It's like umpiring a baseball game for the first time. You have to be perfect the first time and then get better.

postpaleo

"And NOW they find an older caucasion in MONGOLIA!"

I'm not singling you out, honest. There are "caucasion" remians in the USA and no date on them, other then they appear to be older then what is currently the main stream thought of what "native americans" means. To change the nay sayers minds you most often have to have the perfect site, undisputable and there aren't that many that come to light, so it's often piece meal. Pre history is a tough one to crack. So much is destroyed everyday.

postpaleo

Pretty close to what I understand, depends on which of the pros you talk to. The one exception that I'd like to toss into the stew is the size of Neanderthals heads made birthing pretty rough. They lost more people both mother and child in the process. Hence thier space was more easily lost to the newcomers. there were just less of them. Some indication of cross mating as well, that's ify though.

Europe wasn't my area. I'm more Northeastern U.S., with a touch of Midatlantic. there are certian aspects of the arch. world that are very tough to "break" into. The Southwest of the US is one. England is another. I got an invite for England, I didn't take it. I had an invite for South America, didn't take it. I was going to take the Pacific, but the wife stepped in. I would have had to be gone for, long time ago and I sorta forgot, a year, maybe it was two. She was jealous (don't read this Wife), we traveled together, she was one as well. We could have traveled the world doing it. But you know what? I find the stuff in my own back yard as interesting as anything that the rest of the world can offer. So many mysterys yet. I miss it and the people alot, but I know I'll never be able to do it again. That's cool too. There is more to get interested in.

postpaleo

I would argue that point, but not here. Would you expect any different from me?

postpaleo

I guess we'll never really know how WHITE or ASIAN tribes acted, or even if they really existed, but other races HAVE hunted in packs. They act almost like wolves with some larger game.

Steve

The main thrust of my rebuttal would be pretty simple. The hunting metheods change according to the tech level of the tools. Current thought, and this is simplistic but fairly close, hunting was a group activity till the advent of the bow and arrow. (actually each advance had this underlying tone to it, not just, whoosh, the bow, we can do it now) With the bow and arrow, then it was more of a singular action. A big improvement, as now more smaller groups could "spread out" so to speak, cover more area, thus improving the chances for the kill. Now having said that and looking carefuly at the techs involved I might therorize that in many cases it would still be a group, although much smaller, say in a small group of 2 or 3. The why I think this is, the skeletal remains of males shows many "scares" ie bone breaks, which would indicate that much or at least some of the males daily activities were dangerous. Not just hunting, in contact period cultures, it is the more common for males to do most of the far ranging travels, which was no small undertaking and travel they did, much further then most people know. Prehistoric trade routes are astounding to me, hundreds and hundreds of miles would be very common. It would there for make sense to me, to survive these misfortunes, a partner or 2 would be a common sense approach. One of the things that strikes me so heavily about precontact man in the Americas, is common sense, they had it in spades.

postpaleo

Postpaleo......I live in Minnesota and recently heard on NPR,about a new "dig" that may prove stone age man in this area.Do you know what I am talking about and have any links about it?This was about two weeks ago and they have mentioned it again....I hate when the news peaks my interest and then........nothing.(except more stories about Anna Nicole,bah)

Umm not sure what NPR is? I'm also not sure what you might mean by "stone age man", I think I might though. There is hardly a spot on the north or south american continants that the Native Americans weren't there. Even if you see no physical evidance of them passing through, you can bet they were. There are digs happening all the time. There is a reason they don't make the papers or news. When you're under the gun to get something done in a set period of time and time almost always is your enemy, you want and would like to do more with a site then is most often allowed. Very very few sites are ever done 100%, it's a crying shame. I mean some part of it should always be left for others with better methods to relook at, but in the pro world, you're there because the site is going to be destroyed. If my crew had trowels or brushes in their hands they'd better have a good reason, the shovel is the most common tool to use. When people come to visit, you have to stop work to answer the questions, while you might like to answer them all, you just can't. Another reason is looters, they come in during the dig, at night, and try and find stuff, not cool. Bad science. A small fact, for every hour you spend having fun in the feild, you end up doing 2 at the office, rough guess, but close.

When I ran jobs, crew chief it was called, it was my task to keep the site seers at bay from my crew. I didn't mind, but I had to keep things a head of the crew so they had more to go to when they had completed what they were doing, so it was a pain in a way. Lol, we had t-shirts made for the most common questions. One that always popped up was, "did you find any gold", my reply was always, no and even if I did they wouldn't let me keep it. At one point I used to even keep a big piece of fool's gold in my notes box, they'd pop up and ask about gold and I'd flash them the big nugget and say, "you mean this stuff?". The other most common was did we find any dinosaur bones, we weren't the bone men, we delt with man and his bad habits.

Trust me, there are probably more cultures that fit the stone age in your area then 99% of the people know about. In my small area of the world I can count at the very least 22 differant cultures with in a 25 mile radius from where I sit.

Humm, links, my links are sort of dead anymore. I mean I can still find people I worked with and for on the net. But I don't think that's what you're asking. Most states have an amature arch org. Some are very very good and active. You might want to try your state museum, for info.

Is Anna still dead? lol

postpaleo

This links to the site I first heard about this ...NPR=National Public Radio.......This is our local afiliate,MPR(MinnesotaPR)

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/displa ... tonetools/


This was the last I heard.....I thought you might of heard of an update about this.They made it sound like a major discovery but said it might prove false.

Guess it wasnt a major discovery?Thanks for replying anyway.

I hate the sound of a motor-bike in real life. (Not from my PSP though.)

Well I didn't see were it actually has been rejected. There is an area up there that wasn't glaciated, i'd have to dig out my books, please don't make me find those People that don't want something built will sometimes "plant" artifacts there, lucky for us they don't have a clue what they're putting there so it's pretty easy to spot. Thats way they're talking about the things being real.

Ok now we be talkin Clovis or anything around that date is exciting stuff. I have a theroy on that little gem and how it managed to get from the tip of North america to the tip of south america as fast as it did. Fastest known in the entire world of migration as a matter of fact this is the stuff that makes me drool. Now what they're saying is they thought they had a spot that predated Clovis. The facts are this. There are sites that predate Clovis or what loosly could be discribed as how we percive the Native Americans got here, time wise. Others, including I, think it was only one of the migrations. That in fact, the Native Americans as we commonly know them, had some one to greet them when they got here. The hard part is to prove the preexisting culture was here, many have done it, but it takes almost the perfect site to convince people. Now hang on here cause here comes my theroy. But, they brought a new tech, the fluted point, very efficent killing tool, the cultures already here didn't have. An idea ( a tech) can travel much faster then people in that time period could move and still survive as a group. remember if there was no need to move, they just plain didn't, it would make no sense. But an idea and a good one does travel further and faster then the people that knew it. The why is simple, it was better then what they had. Now what happened to the peoples that were already here? The last migration, of who really knows how many, may well have done just exactly what the white man did when they arrived. They brought new desieses. See we also know that a lot of animals that were here for a while also died out at this time, why? becasue man could kill them faster and the climate had changed some. I don't believe the climate did it all, i think man, being the great killer that we are, helped. Sort of like that shake and bake commercial...and I elped. There may have been a little fighting between the new comers and those that were here as well, I dunno. That kind of thing has been rpoven about the past here too, but it's pretty rare. To prove my theroy, it could be done, but again as the first people here was really a while ago, the sites are rarer, but I hope they can find some human remains and can check for diseases that have a known origen in asia. there would be other proofs as well, but equally as hard to find. There is a site in southern chili that had big promise, but I haven't heard anything about it in a long time.

Finding a site that predates clovis type points and there are more then one. In a glacated area is damn near impossible, but has been done. medowcroft Rockshelter in Penna. the head arch on that one is a jerk, which didn't help anything. The one point he called a diagnostic (Miller point) looks like a preform to me at best, but that's Vento for you. I would have worked for Frank ( and know more then one that did) inspite of his beyond anal and down right bad science at times. He has done some other good work that is less suspect, even though I do think he makes a valid arguement for Medowcroft. I mean you just never ever oil your shovels so they shine pretty, it wrecks any C-14's you might find with that tool. Soil scientists are called geomorphologists and they make a bundle doing what they do and the good ones desevre every cent, they can save you huge amounts of time. The last part only refers to an actula burial, that doesn't mean they weren't in your area and you can bet they were. Clovis type points are known for all states except Hawaii. Now they didn't explain how they thought the arifacts appeared to be under what should have been a sterial layer, bad geomorph or no geomorph, i dunno. What sounded good to me was the wind blown layer, that's a biggie for a glacier being near. the study of that kind of thing, can be rough. I recall an early archaic site in West vergina that was horrible and the geomorph was pulling his hair out trying to figure it out. but the classic early archaics that came off that site were just increadable and a lot of them, early Archaic is just after the Paleo or what I'm calling the Clovis here.

I think I hijacked the thread and I didn't mean to. I don't know enough to shut my mouth when I get going on this stuff. I'm thinking of starting one in a better spot just to chew the fat. you now have seen my bad spelling and lack of correct sentance struture in it's finiest, this is how I really write. you also might see how long it takes me to write something if I go through and pretty it up. i hope you understand gobbldy gook. I also hope your interest in this subject might move you enough to help fill in the pieces to the puzzles, later in life.

Good hunting
postpaleo

I screwed up on the head arch on the Medowcroft site. The guy I mentioned was/is? the best geomorph I've ever met and most anything he says I take as gospel. He found a dang mulitpale cremation burial in a test trench and they only had a tiny corner of it, would look like a mess of rocks to most anyone else. No artifacts, no bones, but he knew it didn't fit. A salvage dig got in and still didn't know what it was. They got told. I can't remember anymore what the time frame was, but would have related to the Jack's Reef style point, early woodland, I believe. I'm so rusty at this stuff anymore. What a shame the govenment decided there was nothing there of value. I dislike the army corp of engineers, a lot. They just went in and destroyed it. It was my break in for the pro world. Man that guy is sharp. Got to work with him a fair amount, it was an honor.