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Have you ever experienced AS/ASD related discrimination?
Yes (explain below) 71%  71%  [ 39 ]
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06 Oct 2013, 8:32 am

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Have you ever experienced discrimination because of your Autism or Asperger's Syndrome?

I would say I experience it on an almost daily basis, due to the nature of my job as i work performing customer interaction. Since there are no visual clues that I'm differently abled, I am expected to perform as well as an NT on any specific occasion.


I'm not sure if what you describe should be considered "discrimination."

I also don't care for the term "differently abled" because I see as politically-correct BS to avoid saying what should be said plainly.

If your job requires you to do X, Y and Z and you have a condition that prevents you from doing that, you are disabled in those capacities. If doing X, Y and Z are essential functions of the job, it's not discrimination to say you aren't working out and let you go or not hire you in the first place.

Now, if you can do something to compensate for an inability to do X, Y and Z, then it's a question of if it is reasonable to expect the employer to accommodate it.

If people don't know you have a disability, they aren't discriminating against you for expecting you do perform as everyone else. There is no legal or social obligation to assume someone is disabled and set things up in anticipation of such a person.

If you are asking for a situation to be designed so that everyone can do the task, what you ask for is equally impossible. Very few things can be configured so that everyone can do it equally well. Someone will always be left out.



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06 Oct 2013, 8:46 am

zer0netgain wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
Have you ever experienced discrimination because of your Autism or Asperger's Syndrome?

I would say I experience it on an almost daily basis, due to the nature of my job as i work performing customer interaction. Since there are no visual clues that I'm differently abled, I am expected to perform as well as an NT on any specific occasion.


I'm not sure if what you describe should be considered "discrimination."

I also don't care for the term "differently abled" because I see as politically-correct BS to avoid saying what should be said plainly.

If your job requires you to do X, Y and Z and you have a condition that prevents you from doing that, you are disabled in those capacities. If doing X, Y and Z are essential functions of the job, it's not discrimination to say you aren't working out and let you go or not hire you in the first place.

Now, if you can do something to compensate for an inability to do X, Y and Z, then it's a question of if it is reasonable to expect the employer to accommodate it.

If people don't know you have a disability, they aren't discriminating against you for expecting you do perform as everyone else. There is no legal or social obligation to assume someone is disabled and set things up in anticipation of such a person.

If you are asking for a situation to be designed so that everyone can do the task, what you ask for is equally impossible. Very few things can be configured so that everyone can do it equally well. Someone will always be left out.


Precisely. If you were able to compromise with your employer to do something back office that's highly in demand/that few people like doing but you love, then I'm sure they would overlook your weakness in one area.

If dealing with the public is an essential part of that job and you're unable to do it, then your employer isn't discriminating against you by either telling you to improve your social skills (if they are causing you problems) or terminating your employment. In the same way that a taxi firm would have to let go of a driver that was suffering increasingly impaired sight.



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06 Oct 2013, 11:19 am

Wow. All most autistics is asking for is a little patience or to be transitioned slowly toward a particular activity, or a lowered amount of that activity or some way to make it less intense. not that you "can't". I doubt there are many things we "can't" do. This all or nothing thinking is part of why we're in this rut.

Imagine if somebody said that being straight or having light skin was a bona fide occupational requirement. You know it used to be considered an occupational requirement for women to be thin to work in some professions where they wanted to hire 'hot babes'. That is considered really prejudiced nowadays.


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06 Oct 2013, 12:47 pm

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Wow. All most autistics is asking for is a little patience or to be transitioned slowly toward a particular activity


The OP doesn't seem to be asking for that. It reads to be as if he resents doing that part of his job because of his disability.

If this is the case and unless his employer can help to make adjustments for him, what do you expect anyone to do?

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Imagine if somebody said that being straight or having light skin was a bona fide occupational requirement.


A more apposite would be to make it level and to say that being able to speak fluently is a requirement of being in a customer service role.

Doesn't sound too extreme now, does it?

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You know it used to be considered an occupational requirement for women to be thin to work in some professions where they wanted to hire 'hot babes'. That is considered really prejudiced nowadays.


You try being a 70 year old, 300lb 5'8" woman with no teeth and bad hygiene applying for a job at a strip club or at Hooters and you try to force them to hire you on egalitarian grounds.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:49 pm

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I have been called ret*d before and asked if I was. I may have faced it at my last job because the office clerk wouldn't understand I take things literal, when they keep moving things, I won't know where to find it anymore, I have a hard time with reading between the lines, I cannot remember to do something he taught me weeks ago or months ago if it's not in my routine, I need to be reminded to do something because I tend to forget and it doesn't occur to me to look at my pad. Still the same old "What did I just tell you?" "How long have you been working here?" "You should know this already" "use your common sense." I put up with it than quitting because I needed a job and have a hard time getting a job.

In high school kids kept telling me "listen" or saying I don't ever listen or telling me to stop asking questions. They wouldn't understand I can't keep up with what is being said and I am trying to understand the assignments or what I am learning. Also kids would tell me to sit when I would pace. Then teachers in the resource room get on my back about me falling asleep in class because they wouldn't let me pace. They also wouldn't let me listen to music or play my Game Boy but yet they didn't want me pacing to keep my energy. They didn't want me on the computer either. I couldn't win.

I am also sure I got it a lot in childhood too if kids always got mad at me for my clumsiness and kids thinking I am stupid or selfish and them bullying me because I was different and being rejected. Yeah i would say I got it a lot growing up. Now as an adult it's not a daily thing anymore or all the time thing anymore unless I am around the wrong person like I was at my last job or in the wrong environment where everyone is closed minded towards differences.

Pretty much what I experienced too. I'm going to piggy back on this and add a bit of my own. The latest I get now at work is, "because I'm that guy". I don't need to go on training like others etc.



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06 Oct 2013, 4:17 pm

Tequila wrote:
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It's not the idea that there are reasonable accommodations, but rather that people use that qualifier as a reason to express strong opinions on what isn't reasonable, even when it is.


My point is that he has a job that requires social skills (dealing with the general public), and he has a disability that makes him crap socially.

What can the employer do? Dealing with customers is an integral part of the job.


He said it was a part of his job, you declared it integral.

Also, the fact that he ended up in that job sort of highlights that it is not always easy to find suitable jobs, which is another reflection of cultural ableism.



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06 Oct 2013, 4:40 pm

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He said it was a part of his job, you declared it integral.


Well, it sounds like it is if he's complaining about it. If it wasn't, I would have expected him to ask for alterations to be made.

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which is another reflection of cultural ableism.


Also known as real life, no matter how bitter it is.

Unless you'd rather that jobs for people like us were magicked up out of nowhere?



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06 Oct 2013, 6:11 pm

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which is another reflection of cultural ableism.


Also known as real life, no matter how bitter it is.


Of course it's real life. That's the point. I wouldn't have said it was a real thing if it wasn't in the real world. But it doesn't have to be.

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Unless you'd rather that jobs for people like us were magicked up out of nowhere?


Jobs already exist. They don't need to be magicked up.

A significant problem is that people think reasonable accommodations are unreasonable or special treatment or unfair to abled people who wouldn't even really benefit from some accommodations. It is true some accommodations would be unreasonable (for example, I would not be able to do janitorial work as I would have to rest for more time than doing the actual work would take - I don't think I could get a janitorial job with that kind of accommodation).



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06 Oct 2013, 6:58 pm

I worked in customer service, but I can't hack it anymore. I use to have the energy to keep up a persona, but I just don't anymore. People were starting to notice that there was something different about me. I just didn't have anything to say. I was practically non-verbal when I left.

I would say that with the increased awareness of spectrum disorders it's possible that the public will be more aware of different types of communication and social interaction. And maybe less judgmental about our behaviour.



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07 Oct 2013, 11:25 am

The thing that makes a person a human is speech.

The thing that makes a person an adult is the ability to drive.

I can't drive. My disability prevents it.

I'll never be an adult. I'm stuck as a child.

This isn't fair.