Often get attacked for joining in discussions
The reaction I seem to get in arguments is that people think I am either trolling or lying. It has even happened here in the irc chat. I don't do devil's advocate arguments -- at least not very often, and only on subjects such as religion where no answer is provable. And once a group starts getting this opinion of you, no amount of references or evidence will convince them that you are right. People are stupid, I don't expect everyone to be rational, I just don't understand where this reaction comes from.
I would recommend that you cut down on the "devil's advocate" arguments if you don't want to be seen as a troll. Many people don't like to debate for fun, and if you don't believe what you are saying it will make them frustrated because they don't have the ability to refute your points, even though you both realize that you are wrong it is sometimes hard to prove so convincingly.
Really, why are people offended about when they hear about someone lying about rape? Are they denying it doesn't happen?
they might be denying, i agree with you that lying about something so serious is just as bad as blaming the victim.
It hurts future cases and can ruin reputations, thus lives.
People are fascinated with exceptions. The one guy who fell out of the airplane without a parachute and survived is more interesting than those who died. Because one guy survived doesn't mean it is a good idea to fall out of an airplane without a parachute.
People get annoyed when they hear stories brought up about women lying about rape because that exception is often used to dismiss the reality about rape. 1 in 5 women in college will be sexually assaulted, and most of those violations will either go unreported or be dismissed by school faculty.
When it is so important to educate people about the prevalence of rape in our culture, having people present exceptions as if they are significantly relevant to the reality of rape in our society is frustrating. Imagine every time you try to talk about skydiving safety there is the one guy who keeps bringing up that some people have walked away from a dive without a parachute.
Add this to the fact that women who do report are grilled about their violation, sexually histories, drinking habits, and motives as if they are the ones at fault, and you can see why people do get upset when exceptions keep being brought up as if they are significantly relevant to the reality of rape in our society.
Do women sometimes lie, and is it devastating? Yes, but it is minor concern statistically compared to the overwhelming numbers of women who are assaulted and never receive any form of justice.
That makes more sense. I get annoyed when someone brings up the fact that women like to be forced to have sex when someone is talking about rape or being pressured to have it. It just sounds like an excuse to rape a woman just because some women like to be forced so it can't be the guy's fault he raped the woman because how was he supposed to know she didn't want to be forced because some women like that and don't want the guy to take 'no' as an answer.
IMO if a woman wants to be forced to have sex, she has to tell the guy that and no guy should forced sex on a woman unless she tells him she wants that. That way no rape will happen.
I also understand now why some women would sue a man after they have sex with them. Maybe they were pressured to have it because they wouldn't take no for an answer. I also think that is a form of rape but lot of people have the concept that if you say yes, it's not rape. Well how do they think women get raped in the first place? Not all rape has to be violent.
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I think different criteria need to be created for rape
there are some women who have sex then regret it and say it was rape - that's not rape imo
there's also women who get in bed with a man and are suprised when the man assumes sex is going to occur
if the man forces himself on the woman that's rape but I think women who get in bed naked with a man and don't think at some point the man will assume sex will is likely to occur are being very stupid and they are giving the man a very mixed message
I hate women like this
they want to sit on a man's dick and say 'I never said sex was going to occur, how dare you expect it to!'
this type gives us all a bad name!
I have been accused of sending mixed messages. For one I have always like getting my head rubbed or my back. It fees so good but apparently this is a message to guys I want sex. So does that mean I wanted it with my dad when he would rub me? That is so gross. It even sickens me when I think that. Does that also mean I wanted it with my mother? Also ew. How could people think like this? Even my husband has this concept too and can't grasp it does not mean I want it but he thinks my body does and I don't know I want it and I tell him "Just an excuse for a man to rape someone." I can see why it would be dismissed when a woman claims rape and that is where blaming the victim comes in.
My ex boyfriend often had blue balls because he refused to get the concept me liking to be rubbed is not a message for me wanting sex. At last my last ex got that concept quick.
The problem was my first ex was too obsessed with sex and had it on his mind too much so it clouded his judgment. My mom even thought he was going to rape me sometime because of the way he was about it.
Even in elementary school I always loved it when they send in health people to inspect our hair for head lice and I loved it because them touched my head when they look felt so good and I always hated it when it lasted a minute. I wanted it to go on forever. I must have wanted sex.
I think sex is over rated and it corrupts peoples minds.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
My ex boyfriend often had blue balls because he refused to get the concept me liking to be rubbed is not a message for me wanting sex. At last my last ex got that concept quick.
The problem was my first ex was too obsessed with sex and had it on his mind too much so it clouded his judgment. My mom even thought he was going to rape me sometime because of the way he was about it.
Even in elementary school I always loved it when they send in health people to inspect our hair for head lice and I loved it because them touched my head when they look felt so good and I always hated it when it lasted a minute. I wanted it to go on forever. I must have wanted sex.
I think sex is over rated and it corrupts peoples minds.
That's different
Touch can be non-sexual and often is
that's not the same as getting into bed with a person at all
I have that problem as well. I love having my back, neck and shoulders rubbed...it is very relaxing and soothing but they seem to think it is a sexual thing when it is not.
I have that problem as well. I love having my back, neck and shoulders rubbed...it is very relaxing and soothing but they seem to think it is a sexual thing when it is not.
So maybe you should tell them beforehand that it isn't a sexual thing, so they don't get the wrong idea? Then you wouldn't be sending mixed messages. But of course they might not rub your back, because they are doing it with expectations. And maybe you know this.
People, men and women, need to be educated about consent. I don't care if a woman, or man, is standing before you naked, if they say no, then there isn't consent.
Consent isn't merely yes, it is YES!! !! ! If someone gives you less than enthusiastic consent, then why bother? The sex is likely to be bad.
I broke up with a guy who couldn't muster up clear consent. I didn't like feeling like I was pressuring him to have sex, especially since I have had men not understand that NO means NO.
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