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22 Mar 2013, 2:48 pm

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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?

Yes. Considering I am ten times the Aspie of people diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome. It seems that introversion is increasingly being mistaken for autism although I have no doubt I have both.


Without proof I don't buy it.


The cut-off were to start diagnosing ASD is totally random.
Were does ASD start to get diagnosed?
By the social shy neighbour with OCD traits or were?
And how to distinguish it in this "soft way" from similar looking disorders like social anxiety, schioid or schizotypal etc.?


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22 Mar 2013, 3:40 pm

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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?
I dunno. If a kid is having problems and the closest possible label is autism, what're you going to do about it? You can't say "Uh-uh, no help for you", can you?


Well, I wouldn't say I'd like to see kids denied help, but the closest thing =/= the same thing, and eventually it is going to be more difficult to provide meaningful help to an ill-defined and poorly understood category.



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22 Mar 2013, 3:53 pm

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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?


Yes. It seems as though as soon as someone does something abnormal (or doesn't do something normal) they're labelled with something. I used to know someone who claims he has AS because he's good at maths. That's just ridiculous. I can't see how he has Autism at all.



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22 Mar 2013, 4:01 pm

1 in 80% ... lol :lol:



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22 Mar 2013, 4:10 pm

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?


Yes. It seems as though as soon as someone does something abnormal (or doesn't do something normal) they're labelled with something. I used to know someone who claims he has AS because he's good at maths. That's just ridiculous. I can't see how he has Autism at all.


Yes that's the problem. ASD on the "soft end" is overlapping with all kind of stuff, also nonpathological and no matter how you see it, you are just supposed to diagnose it in a clinical relevant degree and it's causing impairment in daily life activites and not if the person is "just" a bit different how it is sometimes done today.


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22 Mar 2013, 5:03 pm

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According to a new study,one out of 80% now have some form of Autism..now,compared to 50% Last Year,that's a shocking increase! It actually jumped by a Amazing margin! 8O


This sentence make absolutely NO sense!

I think that you mean 1/80 have autism, instead of 1/50 last year.

Which means that autism is DECLINING (not growing) by a dramatic rate.

And if it really did change (either direction) THAT much in one year-it would indicate a flaw in methodology-not a change in actual autism rates anyway.

Just for fun lets take your statement LITERALLY.

If you read 'one out of two people" are say 'male' that means that half (the reciprical of two) are male.

So if you were to say that 'one out of one half' of the populution is XYZ then what would that mean? It would mean that the reciprocal of one half - or "two out of one' -or 'two hundred percent' of the population is XYZ.

So.. "one out of 80 percent " is "one out of four fifths" which is the reciprocal of 4/5. So in effect you are are saying that last year (when it was 'one out of fifty percent') "two out of one" americans were autistic, but now only "five out of four" americans are autistic!

So we are dropping from a 200 percent rate down to a 125 percent rate!

In other words- every extant person in america is autistic PLUS- we used to have an additional 300 million mythical ghost people who were ALSO autistic, but now we only have 75 million ghost people who are autistic ( but all the flesh and blood people are still autistic!).

Well-thank god for small miracles!

We all still autistic. But we have fewer autistic ghost people! I guess thats a step in the right direction! humble as it may be!

ROLFLMAO!



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22 Mar 2013, 5:11 pm

Wandering_Stranger wrote:
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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?


Yes. It seems as though as soon as someone does something abnormal (or doesn't do something normal) they're labelled with something. I used to know someone who claims he has AS because he's good at maths. That's just ridiculous. I can't see how he has Autism at all.


He claims he has AS - but has he been diagnosed by a qualified specialist?
I doubt strongly that you can get a AS diagnosis because you happen to be good at maths...

really ? or is he missing the point?



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22 Mar 2013, 6:27 pm

The new DSM will change this, hopefully. I think the most misdiagnosed category is PDD-NOS, mostly in young children, and accounts for a lot of this seemingly increased incidence.


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22 Mar 2013, 6:46 pm

Raziel wrote:
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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?


Yes. It seems as though as soon as someone does something abnormal (or doesn't do something normal) they're labelled with something. I used to know someone who claims he has AS because he's good at maths. That's just ridiculous. I can't see how he has Autism at all.


Yes that's the problem. ASD on the "soft end" is overlapping with all kind of stuff, also nonpathological and no matter how you see it, you are just supposed to diagnose it in a clinical relevant degree and it's causing impairment in daily life activites and not if the person is "just" a bit different how it is sometimes done today.


He supposedly has a diagnosis; but I can't see how at all. I've known him for about 5 years and can't see it in him at all. With some people, (men more than women) it's generally obvious to me whether they've got it or not and I know someone else who said they can usually tell. Yet, there's nothing in him which makes me think he's got AS.

It seems as though he's just thought good at Maths = AS. Yet, there's people on the spectrum who are poor at maths / have little or no interest in the subject.

I have a friend with AS and I remember wondering whether he had it and it turns out he did. He said the same with me and when I said "I've just got my diagnosis", he said he wasn't surprised.



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22 Mar 2013, 7:10 pm

I'm interested to know the source of information on which this over-diagnosed an mis-diagnosed claim comes from?

Anyone? Proof? Evidence?


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22 Mar 2013, 7:31 pm

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So we are dropping from a 200 percent rate down to a 125 percent rate!

In other words- every extant person in america is autistic PLUS- we used to have an additional 300 million mythical ghost people who were ALSO autistic, but now we only have 75 million ghost people who are autistic ( but all the flesh and blood people are still autistic!).

Well-thank god for small miracles!

We all still autistic. But we have fewer autistic ghost people! I guess thats a step in the right direction! humble as it may be!

ROLFLMAO!


I would love to read that book :lol:



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22 Mar 2013, 11:10 pm

honestly do we have to continue bashing the OP he/she must be feeling horrible by now, I posted the artical to stop the confusion yet the confusion continues and it appears by choice. Some of us are just bad at math, myself included.



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22 Mar 2013, 11:20 pm

Nonperson wrote:
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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?
I dunno. If a kid is having problems and the closest possible label is autism, what're you going to do about it? You can't say "Uh-uh, no help for you", can you?


Well, I wouldn't say I'd like to see kids denied help, but the closest thing =/= the same thing, and eventually it is going to be more difficult to provide meaningful help to an ill-defined and poorly understood category.


On the other hand are resources earmarked for children and adults with autism and aspergers being spread to thin becouse of masses of people absent of ASD yet holding a diagnosis taking from the pot? I would hate or an actual autistic child to miss out on needed services becouse of this.



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23 Mar 2013, 4:35 am

We're a plague!



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23 Mar 2013, 6:09 am

With all the news articles about the increase in Autism, do you think its possible that the govt is trying to get people "used to" the idea that they may have Autistic children?
The media trying to convince the herd that follows that it is "Normal" and in that way, people won't question always what they think is now "normal".

There could be numerous possibilities that cause Autism, from pollutants, to chemtrails, to psychotrophic medication while pregnant or prior.
This would be huge industries taking a big hit if a class action lawsuit were to be formed were someone to discover the causes.

Honestly i think Autism is caused by numerous different factors. Yet the rates keep increasing, especially in developed nations.
They again the underdeveloped ones may go unreported.



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23 Mar 2013, 6:37 am

shubunkin wrote:
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Does anyone else have the feeling the criteria are being applied too loosely these days?


Yes. It seems as though as soon as someone does something abnormal (or doesn't do something normal) they're labelled with something. I used to know someone who claims he has AS because he's good at maths. That's just ridiculous. I can't see how he has Autism at all.


He claims he has AS - but has he been diagnosed by a qualified specialist?
I doubt strongly that you can get a AS diagnosis because you happen to be good at maths...

really ? or is he missing the point?


To my knowledge, he doesn't have a proper diagnosis. I think he's just self-diagnosed.