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04 Apr 2013, 5:07 pm

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here is an ad in australia that i can not comprehend even though i have tried very hard to do so.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdx08-wpow[/youtube]

is the african american pleased about his handful of gold, or does he eventually scream because it is very hot? i have no idea about what this ad means. if anyone can help i would appreciate it.


I looked at the ad. It looks like the advertisers are deliberately toggling back and forth between metaphor and reality in order to convey the message that "rewards are real" (the tagline that ends the ad). They want your brain to switch back and forth between a metaphorical understanding and a literal one. This is why they announce that the volcano is a metaphor. So when the man dips his hand in metaphorical gold, he screams in happiness at first. But then the metaphor becomes a reality and he screams in pain as his hand is burned by molten gold.

The intended message is that your rewards for banking with them will be real. You may join the bank thinking of the rewards as just a metaphor (as the volcano starts as just a metaphor) but you will eventually discover that the rewards are real (as the volcano becomes real).



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04 Apr 2013, 5:53 pm

I love metaphors, I can understand and use them (and create them) but I can get really confused by the ones that are idioms.


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05 Apr 2013, 3:54 am

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I love metaphors, I can understand and use them (and create them) but I can get really confused by the ones that are idioms.


I've made up metaphors too at times.

Idioms... As long as I know what they mean, I can use them. Some are obvious, some I've needed to have explained to me. Hehe. when I hear idioms I know what they mean, but in my mind I still 'see' the literal meaning! :lol: Sometimes that image can be so funny I can't help but laugh. No one else sees the humor though! lol


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05 Apr 2013, 4:05 am

Related - I have never understood why Americans (I think) say 'I could care less' when English say 'I couldn't care less'.

It is used in a situation when you are trying to explain that you don't care about something so saying 'I could care less' is the completely wrong thing to say, in fact it gives the opposite impression that you really care about it.



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05 Apr 2013, 4:07 am

I thought idioms and metaphors were the same.


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05 Apr 2013, 10:21 am

Skilpadde wrote:
when I hear idioms I know what they mean, but in my mind I still 'see' the literal meaning!

Me too! I always see the literal/concrete meaning in words -- it's the first step in making them mean anythng at all, and my brain can't skip over it even if I've heard (or read) the words a million times.

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I thought idioms and metaphors were the same.

They kind of are; An idiom is a specific type of metaphor, but there are other kinds of metaphor, too.

Idioms are the short but widely-known sayings people use in everyday speech and writing, like:

"Don't rock the boat"
"Pot calling the kettle black"
"The grass is always greener on the other side"

But there are non-idiom metaphors in books (those are hard for me to figure out, usually -- I actually couldn't believe that they existed until I was almost an adult)

Also people are using non-idiom metaphors when they say things like, "My mind is a computer" and then go on to describe how their mind works based on imagining it as a computer.


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05 Apr 2013, 10:39 am

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Related - I have never understood why Americans (I think) say 'I could care less' when English say 'I couldn't care less'.

It is used in a situation when you are trying to explain that you don't care about something so saying 'I could care less' is the completely wrong thing to say, in fact it gives the opposite impression that you really care about it.


That one drives me crazy as they are saying the opposite than what they mean.



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05 Apr 2013, 10:58 am

ghoti wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
Related - I have never understood why Americans (I think) say 'I could care less' when English say 'I couldn't care less'.

It is used in a situation when you are trying to explain that you don't care about something so saying 'I could care less' is the completely wrong thing to say, in fact it gives the opposite impression that you really care about it.


That one drives me crazy as they are saying the opposite than what they mean.




I don't understand why it's "I couldn't care less."


I cannot care less I think they are saying so that means they can't care less about it. Saying they could care less sounds better but I guess that is my literal mind speaking. They can care less so they do care less. If they didn't care less they do care more about it.


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05 Apr 2013, 11:04 am

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05 Apr 2013, 11:21 am

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I cannot care less I think they are saying so that means they can't care less about it. Saying they could care less sounds better but I guess that is my literal mind speaking. They can care less so they do care less. If they didn't care less they do care more about it.


Yes. And this is how two completely opposite sentences came to mean the same thing. One has an implied further action and the other one doesn't.

I couldn't care less------I have achieved the minimal amount of caring that is possible and no further reduction in caring is possible.

I could care less--------A reduction in caring is still possible and I will achieve that reduction by the time this sentence is out of my mouth (implied). As League Girl said, They can care less so they do care less.

It's two technically opposite ways of reaching the same goal by playing around with the temporal use of could.



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05 Apr 2013, 11:40 am

Biscuitman wrote:
Related - I have never understood why Americans (I think) say 'I could care less' when English say 'I couldn't care less'.

It is used in a situation when you are trying to explain that you don't care about something so saying 'I could care less' is the completely wrong thing to say, in fact it gives the opposite impression that you really care about it.


I wonder if it has something to do with people hearing the sounds wrong, and then the whole saying gets passed from person to person in an altered way? Kind of like how spelling changes with time (and across locations) as more and more people adopt altered spellings of the original.

That's how a lot of words in language change with time, I think -- sounds, letters, or whole words get added or dropped and then the altered word/saying is understood accurately by other people despite the alteration (in spellings or even whole words) and passed along until people are using the altered version all over the place.


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06 Apr 2013, 2:36 am

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A stitch...in time ( to avert further damage)...saves nine (more stitches). Thats the construction.

These adages were made up by farmers and thier homemaker wives- not by space scientists. You gotta assume a down to earth meaning a peasant could grasp.
i do not consider it as "down to earth". i think it is quite inferential. and i did not know that peasants were less able to understand sentences than anyone else.

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My Mom used to say "strike while the iron is hot" to convay the same thing.
I THINK thats a reference to old fashion clothes irons. Before modern electic irons- you would place cast iron irons in the fire in the fire place (hense the expression "lots of irons in the fire").


i have always interpreted "strike while the iron is hot" in a different way (not with respect to it's underlying meaning, but with respect to it's concept).
when i was young, we had a farm with cattle on it, and we had to brand the yearlings to prevent them from being stolen. my father tried to teach me how to brand the cattle, and he used to heat up the branding iron in coals, and when it was red hot, he used to take it out and stamp it onto the cattle's rump.
when i tried to do it, i hesitated and my father said "come on hurry up or it'll be too late," , and when i finally stamped the brand onto the cow, it smouldered and hurt the cow, but it did not leave a permanent impression, so a few months later it had to be done again.




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About birds and bushes.

Imagine that you're a shipwrecked sailor trying to survive on a deserted island in the middle of the ocean. You would have to forage for food.

If you wanted to cook some white meat which would be more valuable to you?

That bird you already caught ( ie in your hand)?

Or that flock of ten free birds in that yonder bush?
the one i had in my hand because i would not have to spend extra energy to catch one of the others.


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Back to the number nine.

When I was a kid I was always baffled by the expression "the whole nine yards".

I figured it had something to do with sports. But couldnt figure out which sport.

I looked it up a big thick scholarly book about word usage- and it turned out the experts were also stumped. The author said "yards" are important to tailors and to athletes, but the number nine has no special meaning in either the tailor trade, nor in any sport.

Then finnally a couple months ago I saw a TV show about world war two flying fortress bombers with ball turret guns. The bullet belts that feed the guns in the ball turrets were... nine yards long!

"Ignore THAT messerschmidt! Give THIS one the WHOLE NINE YARDS!"

Mystery solved!


what if the plane being shot at was destroyed before the whole nine yards were spent? it would be wasteful to continue shooting after the other plane was dispatched. what if after expending the whole nine yards, the other plane was still undamaged? i can not see how it makes sense.

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b9 wrote:
here is an ad in australia that i can not comprehend even though i have tried very hard to do so.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdx08-wpow[/youtube]

is the african american pleased about his handful of gold, or does he eventually scream because it is very hot? i have no idea about what this ad means. if anyone can help i would appreciate it.


I looked at the ad. It looks like the advertisers are deliberately toggling back and forth between metaphor and reality in order to convey the message that "rewards are real" (the tagline that ends the ad). They want your brain to switch back and forth between a metaphorical understanding and a literal one.
well if they claim the "rewards" are real, then why refer to metaphors in the first place.

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This is why they announce that the volcano is a metaphor.
but it was tangible and concrete. it was there. it was not an allegory. it was on the ground and clearly bubbling that gold paint. how can someone come over, and without a word being said, somehow concoct a vision in their head that corresponds to the lawn keepers vision of something that they both look in the same physical direction at?

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So when the man dips his hand in metaphorical gold, he screams in happiness at first. But then the metaphor becomes a reality and he screams in pain as his hand is burned by molten gold.
i could not tell whether he was in pain or whether he was psychotically euphoric. i thought if he was in pain, he would have began jumping about flapping his hand wildly.


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The intended message is that your rewards for banking with them will be real. You may join the bank thinking of the rewards as just a metaphor (as the volcano starts as just a metaphor) but you will eventually discover that the rewards are real (as the volcano becomes real).
oh well. it was a message i did not get.



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06 Apr 2013, 2:48 am

I always found that weird. Having an ASD does not mean you're incapable of learning. Once a metaphor or figure of speech has been explained to you, unless you're learning disabled to the point of being incapable of retaining information, surely you know the meaning next time? Sure, visual thinkers may still get a funny mental image when hearing a figure of speech but you know what it means now.

I do wonder if autistic people, having fewer social interactions just tend to know fewer figures of speech, and that's where this cliche comes from? After all, figures of speech are probably less likely to be used in writing, what with being figures of speech (not writing).



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06 Apr 2013, 4:14 am

To me he looks psychotically happy.


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06 Apr 2013, 4:29 am

Janissy wrote:
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I cannot care less I think they are saying so that means they can't care less about it. Saying they could care less sounds better but I guess that is my literal mind speaking. They can care less so they do care less. If they didn't care less they do care more about it.


Yes. And this is how two completely opposite sentences came to mean the same thing. One has an implied further action and the other one doesn't.

I couldn't care less------I have achieved the minimal amount of caring that is possible and no further reduction in caring is possible.

I could care less--------A reduction in caring is still possible and I will achieve that reduction by the time this sentence is out of my mouth (implied). As League Girl said, They can care less so they do care less.

It's two technically opposite ways of reaching the same goal by playing around with the temporal use of could.



And I guess that is why people say "I could care less." I guess they don't understand either why it's couldn't care less.


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06 Apr 2013, 1:40 pm

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I always found that weird. Having an ASD does not mean you're incapable of learning. Once a metaphor or figure of speech has been explained to you, unless you're learning disabled to the point of being incapable of retaining information, surely you know the meaning next time? Sure, visual thinkers may still get a funny mental image when hearing a figure of speech but you know what it means now.


Exactly. I think it's weird too. We learn that as easily as new words or new facts.

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I do wonder if autistic people, having fewer social interactions just tend to know fewer figures of speech, and that's where this cliche comes from? After all, figures of speech are probably less likely to be used in writing, what with being figures of speech (not writing).

I've definitely come across most of my figures of speech in writing. Isn't 'figure of speech' itself sort of a figure of speech?


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