Tyri0n
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11 Apr 2013, 10:20 am
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Well, you can see for yourself.
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
Quote:
Your score: 32
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
That test is stupid because it lumps two different types of empathy together, but only gives a few questions on the type people with AS are good at, so it looks like people with AS are psychopaths.
No, lack of empathy =/psychopath. I would consider myself to have more psychopathic tendencies than most aspies (though still not a clinical psychopath since I'm not violent and still respect most laws out of self interest), but I obviously have higher empathy than most aspies, as far as making people feel good about themselves, knowing when to shut up/leave, seeing another person's perspective in an argument, knowing how other people perceive me, and giving my boss what he wants, etc. I don't think these things have anything to do with psychopathy, or not.
Psychopathy would be a lack of sympathy/compassion, and perhaps an extreme lack of affective empathy, not a lack of empathy in the clinical sense. I often have to fake sympathy/compassion and imitate others mechanically to achieve affective empathy in an external sense.
Basically, I have higher empathy than you do, most likely. But you are probably much less psychopathic.
11 Apr 2013, 10:51 am
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Well, you can see for yourself.
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
Quote:
Your score: 32
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
That test is stupid because it lumps two different types of empathy together, but only gives a few questions on the type people with AS are good at, so it looks like people with AS are psychopaths.
No, lack of empathy =/psychopath. I would consider myself to have more psychopathic tendencies than most aspies (though still not a clinical psychopath since I'm not violent and still respect most laws out of self interest), but I obviously have higher empathy than most aspies, as far as making people feel good about themselves, knowing when to shut up/leave, seeing another person's perspective in an argument, knowing how other people perceive me, and giving my boss what he wants, etc. I don't think these things have anything to do with psychopathy, or not.
Psychopathy would be a lack of sympathy/compassion, and perhaps an extreme lack of affective empathy, not a lack of empathy in the clinical sense. I often have to fake sympathy/compassion and imitate others mechanically to achieve affective empathy in an external sense.
Basically, I have higher empathy than you do, most likely. But you are probably much less psychopathic.
Okay, I should have explained myself better, but you need to realize that 1. there are a few questions on the test relating to the lack of empathy psychopaths have and that was what I was referring to 2. This is from SBC, who lumps psychopathy and autism together as lacking empathy even though they are not alike.
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11 Apr 2013, 10:55 am
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Well, you can see for yourself.
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
Quote:
Your score: 32
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
That test is stupid because it lumps two different types of empathy together, but only gives a few questions on the type people with AS are good at, so it looks like people with AS are psychopaths.
No, lack of empathy =/psychopath. I would consider myself to have more psychopathic tendencies than most aspies (though still not a clinical psychopath since I'm not violent and still respect most laws out of self interest), but I obviously have higher empathy than most aspies, as far as making people feel good about themselves, knowing when to shut up/leave, seeing another person's perspective in an argument, knowing how other people perceive me, and giving my boss what he wants, etc. I don't think these things have anything to do with psychopathy, or not.
Psychopathy would be a lack of sympathy/compassion, and perhaps an extreme lack of affective empathy, not a lack of empathy in the clinical sense. I often have to fake sympathy/compassion and imitate others mechanically to achieve affective empathy in an external sense.
Basically, I have higher empathy than you do, most likely. But you are probably much less psychopathic.
Okay, I should have explained myself better, but you need to realize that 1. there are a few questions on the test relating to the lack of empathy psychopaths have and that was what I was referring to 2. This is from SBC, who lumps psychopathy and autism together as lacking empathy even though they are not alike.
I don't think psychopaths lack empathy, just compassion/sympathy. Psychopaths can have the best empathy of anyone. You have to be much better than me and worlds better than anyone else on this board to be a successful psychopath.
11 Apr 2013, 11:04 am
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Well, you can see for yourself.
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
Quote:
Your score: 32
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
That test is stupid because it lumps two different types of empathy together, but only gives a few questions on the type people with AS are good at, so it looks like people with AS are psychopaths.
No, lack of empathy =/psychopath. I would consider myself to have more psychopathic tendencies than most aspies (though still not a clinical psychopath since I'm not violent and still respect most laws out of self interest), but I obviously have higher empathy than most aspies, as far as making people feel good about themselves, knowing when to shut up/leave, seeing another person's perspective in an argument, knowing how other people perceive me, and giving my boss what he wants, etc. I don't think these things have anything to do with psychopathy, or not.
Psychopathy would be a lack of sympathy/compassion, and perhaps an extreme lack of affective empathy, not a lack of empathy in the clinical sense. I often have to fake sympathy/compassion and imitate others mechanically to achieve affective empathy in an external sense.
Basically, I have higher empathy than you do, most likely. But you are probably much less psychopathic.
Okay, I should have explained myself better, but you need to realize that 1. there are a few questions on the test relating to the lack of empathy psychopaths have and that was what I was referring to 2. This is from SBC, who lumps psychopathy and autism together as lacking empathy even though they are not alike.
I don't think psychopaths lack empathy, just compassion/sympathy. Psychopaths can have the best empathy of anyone. You have to be much better than me and worlds better than anyone else on this board to be a successful psychopath.
Okay, the problem here is semantics. When most people say empathy they include "sympathy" with it. It's from these ambiguous phrases were a lot of our trouble comes from.
11 Apr 2013, 11:05 am
11 Apr 2013, 11:09 am
11 Apr 2013, 10:27 pm
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Well, you can see for yourself.
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
Quote:
Your score: 32
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
That test is stupid because it lumps two different types of empathy together, but only gives a few questions on the type people with AS are good at, so it looks like people with AS are psychopaths.
No, lack of empathy =/psychopath. I would consider myself to have more psychopathic tendencies than most aspies (though still not a clinical psychopath since I'm not violent and still respect most laws out of self interest), but I obviously have higher empathy than most aspies, as far as making people feel good about themselves, knowing when to shut up/leave, seeing another person's perspective in an argument, knowing how other people perceive me, and giving my boss what he wants, etc. I don't think these things have anything to do with psychopathy, or not.
Psychopathy would be a lack of sympathy/compassion, and perhaps an extreme lack of affective empathy, not a lack of empathy in the clinical sense. I often have to fake sympathy/compassion and imitate others mechanically to achieve affective empathy in an external sense.
Basically, I have higher empathy than you do, most likely. But you are probably much less psychopathic.
Okay, I should have explained myself better, but you need to realize that 1. there are a few questions on the test relating to the lack of empathy psychopaths have and that was what I was referring to 2. This is from SBC, who lumps psychopathy and autism together as lacking empathy even though they are not alike.
I don't think psychopaths lack empathy, just compassion/sympathy. Psychopaths can have the best empathy of anyone. You have to be much better than me and worlds better than anyone else on this board to be a successful psychopath.
Okay, the problem here is semantics. When most people say empathy they include "sympathy" with it. It's from these ambiguous phrases were a lot of our trouble comes from.
I think the assumption is that cognitive-empathy / mind-reading is a prerequisite for sympathy. Therefore the two are lumped together in the mushy term "empathy". That one doesn't always entail the other isn't part of the common understanding. The definition is based on the "ideal" person for which all are correlated. It isn't defined for people with AS or people with personality disorders.
Tyri0n
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11 Apr 2013, 10:48 pm
marshall wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Ganondox wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
Well, you can see for yourself.
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
My therapist basically gave me this test when I was being tested. I never learned how I scored, but I just took it and got 32, which is the high end of "low"
Supposedly, average is 42, and most people with autism score around 20.
Quote:
Your score: 32
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
0 - 32 = low (most people with Asperger Syndrome or high-functioning autism score about 20)
33 - 52 = average (most women score about 47 and most men score about 42)
53 - 63 is above average
64 - 80 is very high
80 is maximum
A lot of these items depend on my mood and whether I'm distracted, however. Therefore, it might not be an accurate test for those with executive functioning or sensory problems, such as most aspies and those with Nonverbal Learning Disorder or ADHD.
http://glennrowe.net/baroncohen/empathy ... tient.aspx
That test is stupid because it lumps two different types of empathy together, but only gives a few questions on the type people with AS are good at, so it looks like people with AS are psychopaths.
No, lack of empathy =/psychopath. I would consider myself to have more psychopathic tendencies than most aspies (though still not a clinical psychopath since I'm not violent and still respect most laws out of self interest), but I obviously have higher empathy than most aspies, as far as making people feel good about themselves, knowing when to shut up/leave, seeing another person's perspective in an argument, knowing how other people perceive me, and giving my boss what he wants, etc. I don't think these things have anything to do with psychopathy, or not.
Psychopathy would be a lack of sympathy/compassion, and perhaps an extreme lack of affective empathy, not a lack of empathy in the clinical sense. I often have to fake sympathy/compassion and imitate others mechanically to achieve affective empathy in an external sense.
Basically, I have higher empathy than you do, most likely. But you are probably much less psychopathic.
Okay, I should have explained myself better, but you need to realize that 1. there are a few questions on the test relating to the lack of empathy psychopaths have and that was what I was referring to 2. This is from SBC, who lumps psychopathy and autism together as lacking empathy even though they are not alike.
I don't think psychopaths lack empathy, just compassion/sympathy. Psychopaths can have the best empathy of anyone. You have to be much better than me and worlds better than anyone else on this board to be a successful psychopath.
Okay, the problem here is semantics. When most people say empathy they include "sympathy" with it. It's from these ambiguous phrases were a lot of our trouble comes from.
I think the assumption is that cognitive-empathy / mind-reading is a prerequisite for sympathy. Therefore the two are lumped together in the mushy term "empathy". That one doesn't always entail the other isn't part of the common understanding. The definition is based on the "ideal" person for which all are correlated. It isn't defined for people with AS or people with personality disorders.
Well, it kind of is. Affective empathy is nice to have too, but it's not essential. What matters is one's behavior, not one's subjective feelings -- which can change moment to moment. Cognitive empathy is essential for functioning in society because it directly determines behavior.
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