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08 May 2013, 2:59 pm

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It seems like the onus is on you to convince others that you are a good investment.


But I need someone to show me that they are a good investment too... it works both ways.. that's the problem...


You don't have people queueing up to offer their time, knowledge or finances. So I still feel the same as above.


So ask yourself this then.. could I say anything here that would convince people to go through what I did to figure this all out?


I did and the answer is still the same.


There is another angle to this... see.. the people keeping this secret have rigged the game... so even if I told you what this was about you would think it is ridiculous.. see we have been made to be hyper skeptical just as you and others are. It's by design.... People are afraid of becoming a "conspiracy theorist" That's not an accident. It's demonization..

That is why people won't even seek to find out more out of curiosity....

Yet I will still keep trying.. I don't have a choice...


You are asking for advice, I gave mine.

Instead of absorbing anything you are now making assumptions and continuing with your circular arguments.



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08 May 2013, 3:04 pm

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You are asking for advice, I gave mine.

Instead of absorbing anything you are now making assumptions and continuing with your circular arguments.


Your advice was something I was well aware of.. but thanks anyway...

You seem to be making assumptions yourself and speaking for everyone though.. so your advice doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.. Thanks for the support and the creativity though.



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08 May 2013, 3:07 pm

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. see we have been made to be hyper skeptical just as you and others are. It's by design.... People are afraid of becoming a 'conspiracy theorist" That's not an accident. It's demonization..


I beg to differ very much on that point. I would say quite the opposite, most people are willing to accept most things at face value and do not usually apply scepticism and criticism to claims which are made. I think hyper-sceptics are very much a minority in our world. If people were generally as sceptical as you suggest then conspiracy theories, religion, homeopathy etc. would not be nearly so popular as they are.

As far as being a 'conspiracy theorist' goes, it's almost a pre-requisite for being labelled a 'conspiracy theorist' that your claims are in some way incredible, that the level of evidence the person making the claim has falls way short of the conclusion that is being made. If you have evidence you're not a 'conspiracy theorist', you're just a 'theorist'; a journalist, historian or scientist depending on what kind of area of knowledge we're talking about.



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08 May 2013, 3:10 pm

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You seem to be making assumptions yourself and speaking for everyone though.


Well everyone here seems to agree with each other, with exception of you Cal. So rather then speaking for everyone he is voicing the opinion of many.



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08 May 2013, 3:11 pm

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You are asking for advice, I gave mine.

Instead of absorbing anything you are now making assumptions and continuing with your circular arguments.


Your advice was something I was well aware of.. but thanks anyway...

You seem to be making assumptions yourself and speaking for everyone though.. so your advice doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.. Thanks for the support and the creativity though.


I do not speak for anyone but myself. Good luck.

Don't expect blind allegiance, you have to offer something in return. Very simple concept and is in no way negative.



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08 May 2013, 3:12 pm

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. see we have been made to be hyper skeptical just as you and others are. It's by design.... People are afraid of becoming a 'conspiracy theorist" That's not an accident. It's demonization..


I beg to differ very much on that point. I would say quite the opposite, most people are willing to accept most things at face value and do not usually apply scepticism and criticism to claims which are made. I think hyper-sceptics are very much a minority in our world. If people were generally as sceptical as you suggest then conspiracy theories, religion, homeopathy etc. would not be nearly so popular as they are.

As far as being a 'conspiracy theorist' goes, it's almost a pre-requisite for being labelled a 'conspiracy theorist' that your claims are in some way incredible, that the level of evidence the person making the claim has falls way short of the conclusion that is being made. If you have evidence you're not a 'conspiracy theorist', you're just a 'theorist'; a journalist, historian or scientist depending on what kind of area of knowledge we're talking about.


Then why are people afraid to pursue this?

Also keep in mind that the people who are conspiracy theorists have their minds made up about things..... it's as if the conspiracy movement has been politicized... it's like "pick your own fantasy"



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08 May 2013, 3:14 pm

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You are asking for advice, I gave mine.

Instead of absorbing anything you are now making assumptions and continuing with your circular arguments.


Your advice was something I was well aware of.. but thanks anyway...

You seem to be making assumptions yourself and speaking for everyone though.. so your advice doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.. Thanks for the support and the creativity though.


I do not speak for anyone but myself. Good luck.


You were explaining why people weren't lining up to help.... if that isn't speaking for others...



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08 May 2013, 3:22 pm

Blah, blah, blah...........



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08 May 2013, 3:24 pm

Why don't you just write it all down and publish it as an ebook on Amazon? If you need a proofreader due to grammar/structure issues, finding one after you've completed the document will not be as hard as doing so now. Some people actually enjoy reading and commenting on other people's writing. You could also get a website to promote the ebook or start a Facebook page for people to visit. You could create a YouTube video or even a whole YouTube channel. I know people who've been successful through these avenues. If your work is good then people will build on it, and you will still be the first one to put it out there.



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08 May 2013, 3:25 pm

Why can't people help but to shoot the messenger?

Here's why -

http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/cgt/courses ... _power.htm

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Law 38

Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.



Why is that though? I don't know.. probably the same reason aspies are attacked.. sad we do the same to ourselves..



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08 May 2013, 3:28 pm

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Why don't you just write it all down and publish it as an ebook on Amazon? If you need a proofreader due to grammar/structure issues, finding one after you've completed the document will not be as hard as doing so now. Some people actually enjoy reading and commenting on other people's writing. You could also get a website to promote the ebook or start a Facebook page for people to visit. You could create a YouTube video or even a whole YouTube channel. I know people who've been successful through these avenues. If your work is good then people will build on it, and you will still be the first one to put it out there.


Those are good ideas... this is the direction I am going. It;s just hard working on something so immense on my own and finding people who can help and who I can trust.

I don't know if it is just more or from being an Aspie but any time I face big challenges I have always felt like that need for someone to kind of hold your hand and help you along... and then afterwards you find out you were fine..



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08 May 2013, 3:28 pm

Well I'm not judging you for not telling. As much as I really want to know, I trust that you are the one in a position to know about your safety.


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08 May 2013, 3:29 pm

greenmoon wrote:
Why don't you just write it all down and publish it as an ebook on Amazon? If you need a proofreader due to grammar/structure issues, finding one after you've completed the document will not be as hard as doing so now. Some people actually enjoy reading and commenting on other people's writing. You could also get a website to promote the ebook or start a Facebook page for people to visit. You could create a YouTube video or even a whole YouTube channel. I know people who've been successful through these avenues. If your work is good then people will build on it, and you will still be the first one to put it out there.


Those are good ideas... this is the direction I am going. It;s just hard working on something so immense on my own and finding people who can help and who I can trust.

I don't know if it is just me or from being an Aspie but any time I face big challenges I have always felt like that need for someone to kind of hold your hand and help you along... and then afterwards you find out you were fine..



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08 May 2013, 3:30 pm

CAL_1138 wrote:
Why can't people help but to shoot the messenger?

Here's why -

http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/cgt/courses ... _power.htm

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aw 38

Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.



Why is that though? I don't know.. probably the same reason aspies are attacked.. sad we do the same to ourselves..


People aren't going against you for unconventional ideas. They are irked that you asked for advice and then don't listen to the responses they give you.



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08 May 2013, 3:33 pm

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Well I'm not judging you for not telling. As much as I really want to know, I trust that you are the one in a position to know about your safety.


You are one of the rare ones. :)

I can understand everyone wanting to know.. maybe it just takes time getting to know people to feel you can trust them?

That is the funny thing about my situation.. if I was a person who had friends and a life I probably wouldn't have had the time to discover this.. and now that I have discovered it because I have no friends I have no way to get this info to the masses...

And most the people with a life and connections don't want to know... probably because it would put that all in jeopardy...



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08 May 2013, 3:35 pm

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CAL_1138 wrote:
Why can't people help but to shoot the messenger?

Here's why -

http://www2.tech.purdue.edu/cgt/courses ... _power.htm

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aw 38

Think as you like but Behave like others

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.



Why is that though? I don't know.. probably the same reason aspies are attacked.. sad we do the same to ourselves..


People aren't going against you for unconventional ideas. They are irked that you asked for advice and then don't listen to the responses they give you.



I listened.. that is why I went through the trouble of explaining the situation.. people just don't believe me...