Good news, everyone with AS is cured they no longer have it.

Page 3 of 3 [ 48 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3

Previous topic | Next topic

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

13 Jun 2013, 2:21 am

Verdandi wrote:

Sometimes people get completely irrational about labels and say things that make no sense.

Like MacDragard's post.

It's getting kind of monotonous reading the whinging about changes to DSM, it demonstrates the power of social perception on how many people with Aspergers see themselves.

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

13 Jun 2013, 2:24 am

glider18 wrote:

CockneyRebel wrote:

As far as I'm concerned, I'm still an Aspie.

That's exactly how I feel about it too. I'm still an Aspie.

Speaking with some parents from the Melbourne chapter of the Aspergers society, none of their members plan to disband or change what they call their children. Here in Australia the DSM based diagnosis is not compulsory for health practitioners anyway.

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

13 Jun 2013, 2:29 am

AdamAutistic wrote:

does this mean anything for me? i am a little worried anyway.

I think you get a number on the ASD spectrum now. At my daughter's school teacher-parent meeting she is referred to as a class 3 or 4 child on special needs funding. This classification system makes more sense to the school than DSM.

MacDragard
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 7 Nov 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 542

13 Jun 2013, 8:06 am

Who_Am_I wrote:

MacDragard wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Sometimes people get completely irrational about labels and say things that make no sense.

Like MacDragard's post.

Aspergers is a concept by which we measure our pain. If it were real, everyone in the world would have it.

Asperger's is a concept by which we measure a particular kind of disability that not everyone has. Pain isn't a single, one-cause entity that exists in either a complete on-state or a complete off-state.

To the believers, yes. But I am not a believer.

Callista
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Feb 2006
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 10,775
Location: Ohio, USA

13 Jun 2013, 10:27 am

It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of what we really are experiencing. If an autistic person says they are happy, and is being truthful, then they really are happy. What you believe about it doesn't matter.

Scientifically, autism is not defined by pain. It is a set of traits--personality, cognitive, and behavioral. If you have those traits, you are diagnosed with autism. Some autistic people are very happy. Some are depressed. Most of us are happy sometimes and sad other times, but generally see life as a worthwhile endeavor.

If you say you are in pain, we have no reason not to believe you. But you cannot insist that everyone else must see it the same way as you do. We do not, and we are not deluding ourselves. Those of us who say we are happy are, for the most part, really and truly happy.

_________________
Reports from a Resident Alien:
http://chaoticidealism.livejournal.com

Autism Memorial:
http://autism-memorial.livejournal.com

MacDragard
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 7 Nov 2011
Gender: Male
Posts: 542

13 Jun 2013, 4:22 pm

Callista wrote:

Personality, cognitive and behavioral traits are subjective and volatile. Hardly emperical evidence for something someone has claimed to have discovered when really he just made it up.

Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

13 Jun 2013, 4:32 pm

MacDragard wrote:

Personality, cognitive and behavioral traits are subjective and volatile. Hardly emperical evidence for something someone has claimed to have discovered when really he just made it up.

This seems to be how you've produced your arguments in this thread. Your claims are either obviously false (such as this one), make no sense, or both.

Nobody "just made up" autism or AS. Both Kanner and Asperger spent time with multiple people displaying similar behaviors and histories that they could codify into "autism." The point of the label is not to create something ex nihilo (as you seem to believe), but to identify a constellation of behaviors, impairments, and histories that do exist.

It's not a question of belief, as belief is primarily for unfalsifiable things (whether temporarily or permanently unfalsifiable). It is a question of empirical evidence that has been gathered, studied, interpreted, and reinterpreted over the past seven decades. It is not something that can be reduced to "a concept by which we measure our pain." nor is "If it were real, everyone in the world would have it" any kind of rational conclusion - never mind that the statement which precedes that one does nothing to set up such a conclusion.

You are certainly entitled to your own opinion or belief, but you are not entitled to your own facts. What you have stated in this thread is simply not factual.

XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

15 Jun 2013, 2:59 am

Tuttle wrote:

XFilesGeek wrote:

Nope.

My psychiatrist informed me yesterday that my DX will be getting updated from Aspergers to "autism spectrum disorder" as of October 1st.

Are all the diagnoses being updated, or just yours?

(I've been trying to figure out if I'm going to need to find a way to get rediagnosed if I want to get an official change of language to autism spectrum disorder)

Not sure.

The Veteran's Administration (where I go to get my meds and see my Shrink) is adopting the DSM-V on October 1st. I assume they will be updated the DX of any Aspie currently receiving care by the VA.

In any case, mine will definitely be getting changed to ASD.

_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (no longer a moderator)

Sethno
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Nov 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,077
Location: computer or tablet

15 Jun 2013, 12:43 pm

XFilesGeek wrote:

Nope.

My psychiatrist informed me yesterday that my DX will be getting updated from Aspergers to "autism spectrum disorder" as of October 1st.

So, I'm still crazy.

Asperger's/Autism isn't insanity. You're not crazy.

Unless you are on top of the Autism.

_________________
AQ 31
Your Aspie score: 100 of 200 / Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 101 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits

What would these results mean? Been told here I must be a "half pint".

Sethno
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Nov 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,077
Location: computer or tablet

15 Jun 2013, 1:15 pm

MacDragard wrote:

I believe in aspergers just as much, if not less, than Richard Dawkins believes in God. It as once a theory and then later a label has expanded into the 21st century form of MacCarthyism in the most lewd fashion.

People who believe in such labels and worse yet apply such labels to themselves will never grow beyond and thus will be contained and limited for life simply because that is the identity they have established for themselves.

And "Diabetic" is just a label.

Cut it out.

Words have meanings and there are ways to describe medical conditions, of which Autism is one. There are symptoms and Autistics, even high functioning, have things that make them different from the average person.

You're trying to blur the lines between EVERYTHING and make it impossible to determine when someone has glitches and needs the average person doesn't.

Next you'll be trying to deny wheelchairs to those that need them. After all, we can't go recognizing medical conditions and the special needs they cause, can we?

Go find another streetcorner to soapbox on. I see thru you like you're made out of glass.

You're full of nonsense.

Sethno
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Nov 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,077
Location: computer or tablet

15 Jun 2013, 1:21 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:

Yes, you are absolutely correct. Noone in the entire history of humanity has ever been disabled by anything other than their bad attitude.

Oh, I agree. Of course.

Tell me you feel that way when you see a blind person getting behind the wheel of a car.

Nonsense times two.

Sethno
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Nov 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,077
Location: computer or tablet

15 Jun 2013, 1:23 pm

MacDragard wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Sometimes people get completely irrational about labels and say things that make no sense.

Like MacDragard's post.

Aspergers is a concept by which we measure our pain. If it were real, everyone in the world would have it.

Wrong. It's a term used to describe a neurological condition identified by certain symptoms.

Thanks for playing.

Sethno
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 23 Nov 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,077
Location: computer or tablet

15 Jun 2013, 1:28 pm

MacDragard wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

MacDragard wrote:

Verdandi wrote:

Sometimes people get completely irrational about labels and say things that make no sense.

Like MacDragard's post.

Aspergers is a concept by which we measure our pain. If it were real, everyone in the world would have it.

To the believers, yes. But I am not a believer.

Then why come here if you don't believe this very real neurological condition exists?

Why not leave us realistic people to what you wrongly view as our fantasies?

Dude, you probably don't believe water is wet.

Go away.

VisInsita
Deinonychus

Joined: 29 Feb 2012
Gender: Female
Posts: 375
Location: Finland

15 Jun 2013, 1:38 pm

MacDragard wrote:

Aspergers is a concept by which we measure our pain.

You got it all wrong. You should have read J.Lennon's post more precisely before quoting him. He stated, in PPR:

J.Lennon wrote:

God is a concept by which we measure our pain.

And then he got banned...

daydreamer84
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 8 Jul 2009
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,001
Location: My own little world

15 Jun 2013, 2:08 pm

I'm another one who likes the idea of the diagnosis changing to Autism Spectrum Disorder. It took me awhile to adjust to the change. When I first heard about it I was nervous about them "getting rid" of my diagnosis but seeing the new criteria and name I think it was a good idea.

Who_Am_I
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Age: 41
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,632
Location: Australia

15 Jun 2013, 5:27 pm

Sethno wrote:

Who_Am_I wrote:

Yes, you are absolutely correct. Noone in the entire history of humanity has ever been disabled by anything other than their bad attitude.

Oh, I agree. Of course.

Tell me you feel that way when you see a blind person getting behind the wheel of a car.

Nonsense times two.

I was being sarcastic. Do you honestly think anyone would believe something so obviously ridiculous?

_________________
Music Theory 101: Cadences.
Authentic cadence: V-I
Plagal cadence: IV-I
Deceptive cadence: V- ANYTHING BUT I ! !! !
Beethoven cadence: V-I-V-I-V-V-V-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I! I! I! I I I

Page 3 of 3 [ 48 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3

Jump to:

Good news, everyone with AS is cured they no longer have it. Post Reply New Topic

Good news, everyone with AS is cured they no longer have it.