Aspie males offensively generalizing about women!! !

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22 Jan 2007, 9:40 pm

I have no bitter feelings towards women. I see them as people. Have I done anything to make you think otherwise? I do believe that women and men have very different ways of thinking, but I don't believe that makes any one better than the other.



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22 Jan 2007, 9:42 pm

I want to have sex because I believe it would bring a degree of closness with someone that would otherwise be unattainable, it's really more of a feeling than a thought.



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22 Jan 2007, 9:55 pm

Again, I don't want to post quotes from other topics because I don't have permission, and I don't want to offend anybody. But I was just looking at both the Male forum and the Female forum and there is both men and women speaking in generalities about each other. There are men who speak of women in a generally negative fashion and women who do the same. If this is a problem perhaps it should be brought up as sort of general problem that applies both ways. The way I see it there are some people that probably have issues with the other sex. Perhaps some of this is from difficult past experience which makes one's feelings understandable. These are complex issues. As gooba said, it is not black and white.

I know I myself do not react identically when say, walking among a group of women and walking among a group of men. I probably am I little more nervous around a group of women (especially around my age). Then again my closest confident is a women.



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22 Jan 2007, 9:59 pm

Sexism and gender stereotyping are not limited to either gender or to either autistic or NT people. Every group is guilty of this at some point.

I also think there is a biological tendency for men to objectify women that doesn't exist the other way around, or at least to a much greater degree. That doesn't justify men being mean to women, but it does explain why certain men will focus on a woman's sexually "relevant" body parts to the exclusion of other characteristics.

Also, I think that often women and men are quick to call men sexist, because our politically correct climate makes it OK to do so. For instance, I have been called sexist for admitting that there probably are physical differences between the AVERAGE male and female brain, even though this has been shown repeatedly in scientific studies. I have also been criticized for not wanting a woman as a girlfriend/sexual partner who is interested in science, and for perceiving such women as unfeminine (according to my OWN PERSONAL standards), even though I've never said that women should be discriminated against in science.



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22 Jan 2007, 10:24 pm

The ONLY difference between males and females I see is the reproductive organs. Other than that, everyone's an individual in my eyes. I got really pissy in my psychology class when the teacher talked about male/female psychological differences and I argued with my aide on the test to change all the answers to "Generalization" rather than yes/no. It sickens me how society screws with your brain and makes you out of touch of what really matters. In other words, f**k the statistics cause I think male/female psychological differences are nothing but myth and fiction. It's all an illusion created to brainwash you into a sexist monster.


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22 Jan 2007, 10:25 pm

jimservo wrote:
I know I myself do not react identically when say, walking among a group of women and walking among a group of men. I probably am I little more nervous around a group of women (especially around my age). Then again my closest confident is a women.


Gee, men and women ARE different. Admit it! THAT is why the two groups have different names. That isn't saying either is better or worse. And I would LOVE to be able to talk freely to women. I have always had a problem with that, and all the US rules just make that harder. That certainly has nothing to do with image or respect.

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I have been called sexist for admitting that there probably are physical differences between the AVERAGE male and female brain, even though this has been shown repeatedly in scientific studies.


Gee, they feel men are somehow inferior, but want to be thought of as having the same type of brain! WIERD! NOPE, women have different brains. In some ways they might be inferior, and in some ways they may be superior. HECK, nobody has reached their limit anyway! Can't we just admit the truth?

HECK, I don't know WHY I always preach to the choir. Those that know the truth don't need to be told. Those that DON'T know the truth won't listen.

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22 Jan 2007, 10:41 pm

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Gee, men and women ARE different. Admit it! THAT is why the two groups have different names. That isn't saying either is better or worse.


Oh, I agree absolutely.

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The ONLY difference between males and females I see is the reproductive organs.


This is an utter falsehood. The male and female brains are different. Boys and girls exhibit different behaviors within moments of birth. This is not unfair generalizations. This is scientific fact.

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It sickens me how society screws with your brain and makes you out of touch of what really matters. In other words, f**k the statistics cause I think male/female psychological differences are nothing but myth and fiction. It's all an illusion created to brainwash you into a sexist monster.


Research on the brain is just lies? Is the author of "The Female Brian," a female neuropsychiatrist, just out to bash women with made up information? Of course the fact that men and women have different brains (of course there is a lot of variation but again we are speaking of generalities) doesn't mean men are better. Why constantly berate that this what is being claimed when it not? Why claim wild conspiracies without real evidence?



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22 Jan 2007, 10:42 pm

SteveK wrote:
SeaBright wrote:
uh..
A: about 3 stone.

I thought it meant 3 stone as in price. The wife is free. The girlfriend may cost a few kopecks.


Yeah, I forgot, you're probably right. OK, still it is a joke. Some women make some REAL bad jokes about men also. BTW I never made such jokes. And you couldn't find anything I have said against any females here.

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Steve; well, no, that's not what I meant either... I may have slipped into Runglish. It was a question-not a statement of knowlege.
Meaning I read it as such, but don't know the actual meaning.
It was a question, really.

Does 3 stones refer to the plumpness of the wife or the cost of the girlfriend. or..both :-)


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22 Jan 2007, 10:55 pm

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This is an utter falsehood. The male and female brains are different. Boys and girls exhibit different behaviors within moments of birth. This is not unfair generalizations. This is scientific fact.


ALL males and females? Different behaviors? What the hell ever happened to individuality? At what point in time did it wither away?


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22 Jan 2007, 11:02 pm

Of course most (probably all) of said brain research is conducted on subjects who've had years of gender socialization, so who knows how much of it is "natural"? Perhaps there are *a few* actual differences, but I tend to think they're probably grossly exaggerated. Several decades ago people were arguing that women, on average, just don't have the right sort of brains to be medical students, for instance. That's been pretty soundly refuted. There are some countries in the world in which half (or more) of physics Ph.Ds are women, but you still get people who insist that men are just better at physics, on average. Personally I think we'd *all* be better off if we relied less on gender stereotypes, regardless of what some claim to be true "on average."



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22 Jan 2007, 11:07 pm

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Of course most (probably all) of said brain research is conducted on subjects who've had years of gender socialization, so who knows how much of it is "natural"? Perhaps there are *a few* actual differences, but I tend to think they're probably grossly exaggerated. Several decades ago people were arguing that women, on average, just don't have the right sort of brains to be medical students, for instance. That's been pretty soundly refuted. There are some countries in the world in which half (or more) of physics Ph.Ds are women, but you still get people who insist that men are just better at physics, on average. Personally I think we'd *all* be better off if we relied less on gender stereotypes, regardless of what some claim to be true "on average."


I totally agree with you.


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22 Jan 2007, 11:21 pm

I think I've said this before...

If we stopped using words like 'women', 'girls', 'men', 'guys', etc, then it would introduce a bit of individuality back into the spectrum and stop the poo-slinging.

And frankly the use of the word female should be word-filtered out of here! It's the ultimate way to get someone's back up. Guys guys guys (yay, three bad words in a row), quit referring to us as females...makes us feel like a sample out of the gene pool for someone's personal use :evil:

Also, what you give is what you get :) If you start to look at people as individuals, you'll start to find individuals. ;)

For anyone that's still 'seeking a female to mate with'...you and your virginity will become very good friends :lol:



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22 Jan 2007, 11:34 pm

Shale wrote:
I think I've said this before...

If we stopped using words like 'women', 'girls', 'men', 'guys', etc, then it would introduce a bit of individuality back into the spectrum and stop the poo-slinging.

And frankly the use of the word female should be word-filtered out of here! It's the ultimate way to get someone's back up. Guys guys guys (yay, three bad words in a row), quit referring to us as females...makes us feel like a sample out of the gene pool for someone's personal use :evil:

Also, what you give is what you get :) If you start to look at people as individuals, you'll start to find individuals. ;)

For anyone that's still 'seeking a female to mate with'...you and your virginity will become very good friends :lol:


I try to use male and female as general terms. Saying women would exclude girls and vice/versa. I meant no offense.

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22 Jan 2007, 11:47 pm

It's an interesting one...an easy one to get wrong. It's almost derogatory really, when used out there in the wider world. I'd avoid using it, even in the best of nature :)



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22 Jan 2007, 11:47 pm

srriv345 wrote:
Of course most (probably all) of said brain research is conducted on subjects who've had years of gender socialization, so who knows how much of it is "natural"?


False.

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Sex differences in the brain begin in the womb. About midway through pregnancy, the testicles of a developing baby boy start churning out testosterone in substantial quantities, achieving serum testosterone concentrations comparable to those seen in young adult men. These sex hormones, transformed by aromatase enzymes within the brain, bind to brain tissue and begin to transform it. Between 18 and 26 weeks gestation, the developing brain is permanently and irreversibly transformed. Israeli scientists Reuwen and Anat Achiron have found that if you do a regular ultrasound examination when a woman is 26 weeks pregnant, you can distinguish a female brain from a male brain.


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Several decades ago people were arguing that women, on average, just don't have the right sort of brains to be medical students, for instance.


This is not relevant as to whether men and women's brains are actually different. I would never argue that women are not capable of being medical students. Female medical students were pretty common in the 1970s. There are more female nurses then male nurses, and more male doctors then female ones. But this represents career choices that people make based on their own life considerations.

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. There are some countries in the world in which half (or more) of physics Ph.Ds are women, but you still get people who insist that men are just better at physics, on average.


Can you point me to the source of this information? I am curious because I am having trouble finding world information with such information. One has to discount the Scandinavian countries because of the influence of fringe-left feminist parties that force the imposition of stringent gender quotas. It is possible you are referring to a different country(ies) however.

Men have traditionally done better at higher math, and brain research makes this understandable. There has been after all, no female Einstein. It has also been stated however that there are more male geniuses, and more male dummies then women (ie: women trend closer to the average). Women average higher marks on language skills, and again brain research show consistencies.

It is true that girl's scores in elementary school and high school has been improving for years in the United States, however at the same time there has been a corresponding sharp decline in boy's scores. This is possibly due to a shift in emphasis in the style of teaching. The fact that lack of equal numbers of women in the "hard sciences" as both a career and in higher education is not due to effort. Tens of millions of dollars has been spent to encourage young women's efforts in math and science. Gender quotas have been imposed despite an clear absolute majority (approaching 60/40) of women at America's universities. Still, the amount of women taking hard science courses does not reach the level activists desire, and the amount drops with each college year.

I believe this is due to personal choice but if others have their own opinion, or proposed solution feel free to chime in.



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22 Jan 2007, 11:52 pm

Okay, now. I can't help but raise the question "Where do hermaphrodites factor into it?" No one has brought this up before.


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