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29 Apr 2014, 10:50 am

There are, indeed, employers who will overlook subtle autistic symptoms, as long as you do the job well. That's the truth.



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29 Apr 2014, 10:59 am

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There are, indeed, employers who will overlook subtle autistic symptoms, as long as you do the job well. That's the truth.


Yes there certainly are employers like that, just not sure they are in the majority of employers. Even then though I'd question if I could do the job well on top of some of the more difficult aspects of having autism I have mental health issues and that in combination does not make me a very good employee....so luckily I got SSI but I'd hope to be able to get some kind of job eventually.


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29 Apr 2014, 11:27 am

if there was a cure, i want to be cured. i yearn for the life not lived (the NT life i would have if i'm not aspie)
but that would also involve going back in time to catch up what i have missed. if i don't go back in time and catch up what i missed i doubt being curing will make much of a difference in my life. if i turned NT overnight i doubt it would make a major difference in my life because i'd still be weird and antisocial.

curing my aspie now i think would make my life more complex than it needs to be, and at this point i've gotten used to my aspie, and while i'm not happy the way i am, i can live with it. my aspie has made me a stronger person than if i was NT. it has let me experience the other side of life not many people experience, and i believe it has made me more intelligent (not in IQ) as i can see things in a way NT's can't.

besides my aspie has made me the unique person that i am, it defines why i am the way i am because for years i helped myself, perhaps not in the best way because i literally did the opposite of whatever an apie would do, but i have this unique 'instability' that i like.
i can be nice or evil; i can be consistent and stable or i can be impulsive and reckless; i can be logical or be irrational and nuts; i can be social and friendly or antisocial and violent.
it's a really interesting way to experience life because i experience all 3 points of view, the aspie, the NT and aspd. (opposite of aspie = antisocial personality disorder) i just wish i have better control of when i'm aspie and when i'm aspd, because the two are opposites and fight each other, usually the aspie loses and while i have fun being antisocial it makes me really sad in the long run because i have no friends.



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29 Apr 2014, 11:52 am

A cure would not change who you are, it would just fix what's wrong.

Your interests and way of thinking are do not change. Its not like you take a pill and you become a completely different person. The cure would not be a lobotomy :P

The most common issue with AS is socializing .. imagine if the cure fixed whatever internal mechanism that misfires... will that change the fact that you like X thing or that you're really good at X subject? No. It would merely open new possibilities.



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29 Apr 2014, 1:09 pm

My autistic symptoms have been getting cured gradually over the years. Some people might think this is just adapting, but I don't think it is.

I used to be "moderately autistic", but now I barely qualify for a diagnosis. I still have symptoms of ADHD, anxiety, a bit of depression and brain fog. Some people might consider that "part of the autism", but I just consider them seperate conditions that stem from problems in my body.

I think a cure is doing me good because I'm no longer being infantilized by every person I meet. I really don't want to live a life with autistic symptoms. I don't want people to adapt to me or give me extra help. I'd rather be seen as a normal person.

That's impossible if everyone has to adapt to me. It's also been very hard on my self esteem getting all the extra help growing up. I didn't actually need a lot of it, but now I do because that help never allowed me to grow.

I've never real had any equal relationships during my life and I want them bad. When I was in school all of my friends were acting like mother hens. That drove me crazy, but I had no idea what to do about it.

I notice that right now most people don't treat me like that. I'm constantly worrying about them getting to know me better and see me as a child. I became very shy because of that.


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29 Apr 2014, 5:19 pm

its not wrong at all to not want to be cured;not like that will ever happen nor will forced curing ever happen of those of us who are severely or profoundly autistic [at least not in the UK it wont] due to safe guarding and mental capacity laws.

am pro choice of the whole 'cure idea', if people wanted it they shoud be allowed to have it,but am not sure a cure woud work as pro curist aspies are disapointed in themselves and their lives,a cure isnt going to change their mentality and attitude to facing hard situations,only working on building coping strategies and self esteem does that.

was recently slandered and abused by a parent of an autistic child because am severely autistic and feel perfectly at peace with self & have a life am proud of thanks to having significant specialist multi disciplinary support and hate the idea of some cure on self.
parents dont realise we are not them and their views dont represent or speak for us just because we verbaly cannot communicate them,having severe or extreme challenging behavior doesnt mean we need our autism curing,it means we need alternative ways to express our communication,agitation,sensory seeking, confused feelings,brain traffic and significant support to allow us to be ourselves.


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29 Apr 2014, 5:37 pm

Any parent who would slander or abuse someone who has found meaning, joy and fulfillment, and contentment in her life, and who has no need or desire to have a life other than the one she has, no matter how abled or disabled she might appear, is just disgusting. It's really disrespectful. It's the equivalent of telling someone that her life is not as good as someone else's life just because she has a different conviction about it. And it takes a much greater level of maturity to understand that everyone's life is equally precious and everyone's life should be respected as should everyone's convictions as to whether or not they want a "cure" than to just want everyone to want to be "cured" just because you might want that and just because it might make you feel better that you can't accept your kid's condition.


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29 Apr 2014, 11:40 pm

I don't think it's wrong. It just is what it is.

Personally, I prefer treatments/self improvement and have chosen that path. My symptoms are minimal compared to what they used to be a year or two ago. My life is a lot more productive, happier, healthier, wealthier and fulfilling. I know I still have some ASD traits, but they're so mile they don't really screw with my life anymore.

I think people who swear they wouldn't want treatment or a cure do so out of classic fear of the unknown - they don't know what they don't know, and they don't know how they or their life would change if they were to successfully treat/cure themselves.


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30 Apr 2014, 5:42 pm

No, it's not wrong to want a cure - if that's what you want. It's not a moral issue, there is no personal right nor wrong on this. It's a personal choice and you are an adult. It's your right to be self-determining.

I don't want a cure (that's what's right for me). What I do want is alleviation of the troublesome side effects of being on the spectrum - the ones that impeded my daily quality of life.

Seem to have found that recently with clonazepam and I am bursting out in smiles this week.



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30 Apr 2014, 6:17 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
My autistic symptoms have been getting cured gradually over the years. Some people might think this is just adapting, but I don't think it is.

I used to be "moderately autistic", but now I barely qualify for a diagnosis. I still have symptoms of ADHD, anxiety, a bit of depression and brain fog. Some people might consider that "part of the autism", but I just consider them seperate conditions that stem from problems in my body.

I think a cure is doing me good because I'm no longer being infantilized by every person I meet. I really don't want to live a life with autistic symptoms. I don't want people to adapt to me or give me extra help. I'd rather be seen as a normal person.

That's impossible if everyone has to adapt to me. It's also been very hard on my self esteem getting all the extra help growing up. I didn't actually need a lot of it, but now I do because that help never allowed me to grow.

I've never real had any equal relationships during my life and I want them bad. When I was in school all of my friends were acting like mother hens. That drove me crazy, but I had no idea what to do about it.

I notice that right now most people don't treat me like that. I'm constantly worrying about them getting to know me better and see me as a child. I became very shy because of that.
Do you have sensory issues? I ask because you say that your symptoms are gradually being cured. I don't doubt what you say at all and I think that is great for you. I am just wondering about sensory issues and if you have them and if they have been getting better too.


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30 Apr 2014, 6:23 pm

I have seen this subject come up a few times at it gets on my nerves.

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It is wrong that I don't want to join Star Fleet? :lol:



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30 Apr 2014, 6:50 pm

^ :lol:


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30 Apr 2014, 7:54 pm

There is no cure per-say, technically, you can be assessed years from now and no longer fit the diagnostic criteria: I don't think there is anything wrong with striving to become someone who outgrows the diagnosis.



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30 Apr 2014, 8:12 pm

skibum wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
My autistic symptoms have been getting cured gradually over the years. Some people might think this is just adapting, but I don't think it is.

I used to be "moderately autistic", but now I barely qualify for a diagnosis. I still have symptoms of ADHD, anxiety, a bit of depression and brain fog. Some people might consider that "part of the autism", but I just consider them seperate conditions that stem from problems in my body.

I think a cure is doing me good because I'm no longer being infantilized by every person I meet. I really don't want to live a life with autistic symptoms. I don't want people to adapt to me or give me extra help. I'd rather be seen as a normal person.

That's impossible if everyone has to adapt to me. It's also been very hard on my self esteem getting all the extra help growing up. I didn't actually need a lot of it, but now I do because that help never allowed me to grow.

I've never real had any equal relationships during my life and I want them bad. When I was in school all of my friends were acting like mother hens. That drove me crazy, but I had no idea what to do about it.

I notice that right now most people don't treat me like that. I'm constantly worrying about them getting to know me better and see me as a child. I became very shy because of that.
Do you have sensory issues? I ask because you say that your symptoms are gradually being cured. I don't doubt what you say at all and I think that is great for you. I am just wondering about sensory issues and if you have them and if they have been getting better too.

I don't really have actual sensory issues. I can get irritated by people being too loud, but I don't usually get affected by loud music. It seems to be more of a personal space issue than an actual sensory issue.

I sometimes get irritated by bright and fluorescent lights, but not much more than the average person. I do start to get sensory issues if I'm very tired or sick, but when I'm healthy and energetic I have no sensory issues at all. Even when I have sensory issues it rarely causes a sensory overload. I've only had sensory overload twice in the past five years.


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02 May 2014, 9:06 am

You don't need to be cured because you're not ill. Everyone has a different perspective on the world around them, it's just that ours causes us more jarring than most other people. I know plenty of NT people who could be said to have one or more AS symptoms but they've learned to avoid those situations.

We just have enough symptoms that they're collectively harder to avoid the situations that cause the pain we feel. Imagine that you had the perfect home / relationships / work / whatever such that you never felt the effects of your condition. Under those circumstances you might never know that you were on the spectrum at all.

For those of us who are lucky enough to be able to lead relatively normal lives we just have to concentrate on minimizing the negatives and focusing on what positives we can find.