Face time! Game* not test* (probs wrong section)

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Im afraid I dont have the answers. I saw this and decided to post it up. Im not even sure what the source is to be honest.Here are my theories


1st row - Happy,Excited,Fed up,Flirtatious
2nd row - Not sure , Neutral , Fed up, Pain
3rd row - Anger, Fear , Thinking , Surprise
4th row - Haven't the slightest idea , Needs a tongue scraper , Tired , Indecision

Considering that these facial expressions are phony and "cute" this test is irrelevant and useless. If I was to take a quiz on facial expressions,I want the real expressions that are stimulated from their corresponding real emotions.

I'll repeat - thisisnot a test Of course the expressions are exaggerated. This is probably for people with exrtreme face blindness or autistic children. For kids I can see a use for this as its a basic introduction to the different emotional states. Anything more subtle would be like giving a5 year old James Joyces' Ulysses. Incomprehensible

It's exaggerated and I'm still bad at it!

Not surprising though. Reading nonverbal cues/ facial expressions is one of the areas I am worst in. From what I have read here, I am probably worse than the average Aspie in this area.

When I first read that the majority of communication is nonverbal, I didn't believe it. Then I thought maybe it is true, but doesn't apply to me. I actually thought I paid more attention to verbal communication because I was smart! I thought I was getting more out of verbal communication then other people got out of verbal/nonverbal combined. Of course, I thought that as a teenager prior to learning about AS.

Then I didn't give nonverbal communication much thought until a group of people all noticed something about someone that I completely missed. That was when I realized the statistics were right, and that I was getting LESS information than other people.

I still don't quite grasp what makes up nonverbal communication even on an intellectual(vs real time social situation) level. Though, I now accept that it is important, people communicate a lot of information nonverbally, most people understand it intuitively, and my understanding of it is extremely limited.

Happy, Overly attached girlfriend, Pretending to be a frog, Duck face
Mildly Peeved, Neutral, About to puke, Having really bad diarrhoea
Snarling, just accidentally sat in some sh*t, Posing for a "thought bubble" illustration, Being surprised in a sarcastic way
Asleep, Bratty, Yodelling, Thinking ''what-ever'.

Random42 - I have trouble reading these as well, but only in real-time, where in the midst of an actual live conversation, one needs to listen to what someone is saying and how they are saying it (i.e. tone). One then needs to look at the other person, watching their facial expressions and body language. One then needs to put all of this together, to interpret the message (and supposedly, figure out the emotion that other individual is feeling at that moment in time). It is extra complex, because the content of what was said, the tone for how it was said and the facial expression and body language could conflict. In that case, one needs to figure out what the intent of the message is. I, personally, just cannot do this.

With that being said, for me, looking at "still" pictures is altogether different. As I can study the picture and use my "internal" algorithm to determine what emotion to guess.

My algorithm is fairly simple.
- When the corners of the mouth are up (whether teeth are showing or not), I can guess that the person is happy, excited, etc. Now, I have no idea if the person is “faking it”. But, I ignore that possibility.
- When the corners of the mouth are down, I can guess that the person is sad.
- When the mouth is open, I can guess some sort of surprise. It can be either a good or bad surprise (depending upon the corners of the mouth).
- When the person has the bottom lip showing (my wife does this often), they are sad and feeling down, and want sympathy.
- When they yawn, they are either bored or tired.
- Etc.

Just curious – do you have an algorithm for doing this? Or is it simply too overwhelming. I am curious, because I am trying to understand how emotion recognition differs amongst members in the community.

I have a similar algorithm. However, it only catches the most extreme, obvious expressions. In this thread, even though I did poorly(there were some expressions I did not know what them meant at all) I picked up on more expressions than I do real time with real people. As you mentioned, actual social situations are much more complicated. Most people do not use expressions extreme enough for me to notice, so from my perspective, most conversations involve little to no facial expressions in the other person. I have no idea what my expressions look like to others

I did take an ASL(American Sign Language) class. In ASL, facial expressions are very important to the meaning of what is being said and even to the grammar. However, they are also more obvious than the ones used in English. I found that I recognize a lot more facial expressions in ASL than I do in English. However, NTs still notice more. In the class, we often had class discussions. From these , I could tell the NTs saw subtleties that I missed even after they pointed them out. I can identify if an expression in ASL is negative or positive and if it is negating what is said, or emphasizing what is said. This is significantly more than what I notice in real time in English. However, the NTs noticed even more expressions in ASL and described their meaning in detail. This wasn't them just making things up, because the other students saw what they were describing. However, I had better receptive skills withe the vocabulary than the other students, and could understand enough of the facial expressions to get the point.


I also have an algorithm for recognizing sarcasm. For me, if it seems illogical for the person to say, then it is likely sarcasm. This usually works, though I miss sarcasm sometimes. Though, since I recognize sarcasm based on content rather than tone, I fail to use the correct tone when being sarcastic myself. I have been told that others have a hard time telling when I am being sarcastic, and sometimes it sounds like I am insulting them instead of joking with them. I think this is because they recognize sarcasm primarily from tone, not content. Whereas I recognize it primarily from content, not tone.