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22 Dec 2013, 7:05 am

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I don't like Christmas Day at all and I think it's because as a child, you learn to get so worked up and excited about all the presents that once it's over and everything's been opened, there's an emotional crash that leaves you disappointed that it's all over.

Then once you become an adult, there's just the guilt and the pressure and when it's over, you're still disappointed. I think the guilt and pressure of feeling you're responsible for making other people happy, when you can't even make yourself happy, is a lot of the reason for so much suicidal depression during the holidays.

I think the whole season would be much more enjoyable if the gift-giving part was eliminated altogether, or limited only to children 12 and under.

I'm always too poor to be buying a lot of gifts and other people never bother to know me well enough to know what I'd like, so anything they give me makes me uncomfortable because I can't reciprocate and it always seems like an afterthought. Just make sausage balls and fudge, I don't need a present.

However, I do very much like the holiday celebrating tradition, with it's eggnog and yule trees and classic Christmas Music. :santa: :rendeer:


I still get that disappointment. I even got it today despite all the gifts I received. My mum couldn't make it to either Christmas lunch or my birthday so she gave me my gifts early.

I disagree about the suicide thing. I think people already depressed will feel it much more heavily when everyone is so cheerful. In late 2010 I was having so many seizures a day that I thought I was going to die and sort of gave up trying to live (as in do much with my life) for awhile. I so hated being around all that season cheer. Now I'm feeling ok about it, even getting excited.

I think if people stress out about the buying present side of thing, don't do it. I love working out what to get people. I've bought presents mostly for just my nephews and nieces, and well, myself. I'm still like a kid.

As for me me I like getting to see family and having a break from my own issues though I'm worrying about my sensory sensitivity. Lately, I can't stand to even be in a small group of people. I like giving gifts, receiving them and eating food while hanging out with the younger members of the family. The adults bicker too much.


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22 Dec 2013, 9:34 am

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Willard wrote:
I don't like Christmas Day at all and I think it's because as a child, you learn to get so worked up and excited about all the presents that once it's over and everything's been opened, there's an emotional crash that leaves you disappointed that it's all over.

Then once you become an adult, there's just the guilt and the pressure and when it's over, you're still disappointed. I think the guilt and pressure of feeling you're responsible for making other people happy, when you can't even make yourself happy, is a lot of the reason for so much suicidal depression during the holidays.

I think the whole season would be much more enjoyable if the gift-giving part was eliminated altogether, or limited only to children 12 and under.

I'm always too poor to be buying a lot of gifts and other people never bother to know me well enough to know what I'd like, so anything they give me makes me uncomfortable because I can't reciprocate and it always seems like an afterthought. Just make sausage balls and fudge, I don't need a present.

However, I do very much like the holiday celebrating tradition, with it's eggnog and yule trees and classic Christmas Music. :santa: :rendeer:


I still get that disappointment. I even got it today despite all the gifts I received. My mum couldn't make it to either Christmas lunch or my birthday so she gave me my gifts early.

I disagree about the suicide thing. I think people already depressed will feel it much more heavily when everyone is so cheerful. In late 2010 I was having so many seizures a day that I thought I was going to die and sort of gave up trying to live (as in do much with my life) for awhile. I so hated being around all that season cheer. Now I'm feeling ok about it, even getting excited.

I think if people stress out about the buying present side of thing, don't do it. I love working out what to get people. I've bought presents mostly for just my nephews and nieces, and well, myself. I'm still like a kid.

As for me me I like getting to see family and having a break from my own issues though I'm worrying about my sensory sensitivity. Lately, I can't stand to even be in a small group of people. I like giving gifts, receiving them and eating food while hanging out with the younger members of the family. The adults bicker too much.


For myself, the last few Christmases I've had especially were quite disappointing. Whether it was the infighting with my family, the lousy gifts, the whole pressure of being expected to make other people happy and get them decent gifts, it nearly caused me to give up on the holiday season altogether. I took a different approach this year though, and instead of caring about gifts and spending it with the more toxic people in my life (namely my father, stepmother, and her family), I've decided to go down to my old home town and spend the season with my friends and relatives. So far, it's been going pretty nicely. :D The Yuletide is meant to be a season of eating, drinking, and just having a good time, and I've been doing all three. :D Screw Christmas, with its connections to commercialism and Abrahamic religions, it's all about Yule!



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22 Dec 2013, 1:06 pm

Here is a fascinating article which gives some evidence for the birth of Christ on 25 December -- although, as we say in Latin cum grano salis, with a grain of salt! But it's worth the read just to see how the early Church dealt with so important a holiday:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm

You are free, of course, to evaluate the evidence presented according to your own lights. In my own estimation, especially from what I know about Roman culture and their meticulous record keeping at the Roman Capitoline, I would tend toward the verity of the Dec. 25 date due to Roman census data. But read the article and decide for yourself.



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22 Dec 2013, 2:32 pm

^ interesting article, and it led me to a half hour's reading here and there including this article about the darker side of Christmas and yuletide:

http://o.canada.com/life/krampus-knecht ... christmas/clickie



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22 Dec 2013, 2:45 pm

I don't hate Christmas. it's just another bank holiday in our house, except we eat a lot more food.

There's only me and my daughter so it's a quiet occasion anyway.

I have heard of people who get really stressed out about it because they have big families and they have to spend a lot of money.

I don't really spend much money for Christmas, but I do cook a mean Christmas dinner. :wink:


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22 Dec 2013, 3:02 pm

I don't hate Christmas because it was never a big deal to me. At most, it was a day I received presents and had to go to church. It was not a time to be with family or whatever. Plus my parents (especially my father) always go nuts because of it. My father once didn't even reply back "Merry Christmas" one year, just stayed in bed. And another year around this time he threatened my life. I try to sympathize with other people's family problems, but it often seems rather trivial to me. Complaining about receiving gifts sounds like a cruel joke.



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22 Dec 2013, 3:11 pm

alpineglow wrote:
^ interesting article, and it led me to a half hour's reading here and there including this article about the darker side of Christmas and yuletide:

http://o.canada.com/life/krampus-knecht ... christmas/clickie


This is also quite interesting ^^^. I had no idea. Scary stuff, all pagan.
Now, if you really want a literary scare, read the story "Viy" by Nikolai Gogol.



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22 Dec 2013, 3:51 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
alpineglow wrote:
^ interesting article, and it led me to a half hour's reading here and there including this article about the darker side of Christmas and yuletide:

http://o.canada.com/life/krampus-knecht ... christmas/clickie


This is also quite interesting ^^^. I had no idea. Scary stuff, all pagan.
Now, if you really want a literary scare, read the story "Viy" by Nikolai Gogol.


:?: :pale: :D It is impossible for me to resist reading a scary story. Is it online somewhere?



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22 Dec 2013, 4:23 pm

I don't hate Christmas but I'm not too crazy about it either. I've always loved the gift aspect of it and the food of course. I don't find it too difficult to get presents for people. I normally manage to get at least one gift for the people in my life. Less keen on family gatherings though that very much depends on the family members we are meeting up with.



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22 Dec 2013, 4:35 pm

I WANT TO GO TO KRAMPUSLAUF!! O..O



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22 Dec 2013, 8:51 pm

alpineglow wrote:
JSBACHlover wrote:
alpineglow wrote:
^ interesting article, and it led me to a half hour's reading here and there including this article about the darker side of Christmas and yuletide:

http://o.canada.com/life/krampus-knecht ... christmas/clickie


This is also quite interesting ^^^. I had no idea. Scary stuff, all pagan.
Now, if you really want a literary scare, read the story "Viy" by Nikolai Gogol.


:?: :pale: :D It is impossible for me to resist reading a scary story. Is it online somewhere?


Here it is: "The Viy" by Nikolai Gogol
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/g/gogol/nikolai/g61v/



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22 Dec 2013, 9:07 pm

It has noting to do with religion anymore. It is now a bunch of capitalist ideas like black friday.



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22 Dec 2013, 11:53 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:
alpineglow wrote:
JSBACHlover wrote:
alpineglow wrote:
^ interesting article, and it led me to a half hour's reading here and there including this article about the darker side of Christmas and yuletide:

http://o.canada.com/life/krampus-knecht ... christmas/clickie


This is also quite interesting ^^^. I had no idea. Scary stuff, all pagan.
Now, if you really want a literary scare, read the story "Viy" by Nikolai Gogol.


:?: :pale: :D It is impossible for me to resist reading a scary story. Is it online somewhere?


Here it is: "The Viy" by Nikolai Gogol
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/g/gogol/nikolai/g61v/

Thanks. I might wait until daylight to read it. :sunny:



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23 Dec 2013, 12:12 am

I don't dislike Christmas. I do dislike the commercialization around it, though. My family's holiday celebrations tend to be low-key, which is nice. It's usually my mom, my siblings, and their children/spouses, and in recent years we've done a "secret Santa"-style gift exchange, which makes gift-giving easier.



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23 Dec 2013, 4:18 am

I don't hate, I just don't celebrate Christmas.



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23 Dec 2013, 11:36 am

I love Christmas, its that one time of year where You can just forget all Your past worries and just chill and have fun with friends and family.

Although I'm not excited as I use to be for Christmas, I still look forward to it as its the only time of year I get to have a big family gathering.