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15 Jan 2014, 9:36 pm

Fogpatrol wrote:

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I don't see whole things. I see part of the edge of a door, then another part of the edge; my mind understands this to be a straight line. Then the same process with the top, bottom and then the inner side with hinges. It's almost instantaneous. But I can never see the whole thing, only parts.

It's my mind that puts it together.

Moreover, if I try to zoom into the parts, then these, too, break into parts. It's as though I go from detail to ever smaller detail.

Don't get me wrong: I can see right now that I am in a square room with a door, a window and a rug and a sofa. But the process of mental construction strikes me as piecemeal. So when I walk down the street, every detail jumps out at me. I don't remember them. They just captivate me.

I cannot reconstruct images of faces in my head. I know that my friend Anthony has two eyes, short hair, ears that sick out, and he is Mexican so has dark skin. But I can't imagine his entire face.

Are you able to drive?

I can drive just fine. I even practiced architecture for a time (I was good at details). My mind can put it all together. What I actually see isn't together. Perhaps I am unclear in my description.

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15 Jan 2014, 9:44 pm

^^^
the typical human brain assembles disparate fractional images into a cohesive whole all the time, it is just that with you, you have "administrator privileges" that allow your consciousness to comprehend this process from the nuts and bolts upwards. IOW you get to see the construction of the house [your visual world] before it is finished.

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15 Jan 2014, 9:48 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:

I think Donna Williams describes this as "meaning blindness." As a form of visual agnosia. It's something I experience occasionally. It's like I see a part of a thing, then another part of a thing, and then I try to put them together, and I do not always put them together correctly (I recall perceiving a deactivated neon sign as a series of rubber snakes on one occasion).

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I cannot reconstruct images of faces in my head. I know that my friend Anthony has two eyes, short hair, ears that sick out, and he is Mexican so has dark skin. But I can't imagine his entire face.

Yeah, I have this issue too, along with prosopagnosia (faceblindness). This is I think a different thing from the visual agnosia you described above as one can experience prosopagnosia and have otherwise typical visual processing.

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15 Jan 2014, 9:55 pm

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Except that the whole is never finished, except in my mind as an idea. Right now I am looking at a door, which is a rectangle, and I can draw it for you. But I can't actually perceive the whole door at once (and this has nothing to do with field of vision or eye focus). Same goes with a book, a finger, a grain of sand.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:07 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:

I can drive just fine. I even practiced architecture for a time (I was good at details). My mind can put it all together. What I actually see isn't together. Perhaps I am unclear in my description.

I understand what you are saying, im just amaze on how the brain can function totally differently from one person to an other and acheive the same result.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:08 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

going smaller, how about a word? [e.g., "word."]

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15 Jan 2014, 10:18 pm

word, letter, dash, dot.

This is not about how I can understand or function, it's about what I perceive when my mind puts it all together. What is in my mind as a concept or idea is together. The thing I perceive is not together.

I don't like watching movies or TV for this reason. And the only kind of art I really like is modern art.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:22 pm

Yes, I recognize this and I get this sometimes, too, especially when I space out. This sort of thing is also known to occur in schizophrenia, and was actually found in "Space, Time, and Atmosphere: A Comparative Phenomenology of Melancholia, Mania, and Schizophrenia, Part II" (Sass & Pienkos 2013) to distinguish schizophrenia from melancholia and mania, as stated in the abstract (emphasis added):

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But despite some significant similarities, changes in schizophrenic subjectivity appear to be more pervasive and profound, involving experiences of fragmentation, meaninglessess, and ineffable strangeness that are rare or absent in the affective disorders.

It would be interesting if, testing the same things, Sass & Pienkos compared schizophrenia to autism!

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15 Jan 2014, 10:24 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:

let me guess- you don't think in pictures. how did this work when you were an architect?

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15 Jan 2014, 10:25 pm

Well, I'm not schizophrenic....
I was able to translate everything in my mind into geometry. To me, geometry (like music) is clear because it's not physical.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:26 pm

JSBACHlover wrote:

^^^

I'm sorry but I did not comprehend your comment above, clueless me :oops:

I was merely expressing my lack of understanding of how a person who does not visualize whole objects can function in a capacity requiring the visualization of wholes? I did not meant to be insulting in any way, and am sorry if that is how it seemed.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:27 pm

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15 Jan 2014, 10:29 pm

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Well, I'm not schizophrenic....
I was able to translate everything in my mind into geometry.

I did not even think or hint any thing of the sort. sorry if that is how it seemed, that is not my style. but it is very interesting that you can "visualize" [can't think of a better word] angles and proportions outside of the normal visual sense. I wonder if that is how Einstein saw things as well?

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15 Jan 2014, 10:29 pm

I translate eberrything into cats. I think in cats.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:30 pm

Clarification:
That face I put in there was a response to benefcii, but then I edited it away because by the time I submitted it, blabby had already replied, so it no longer made sense.

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15 Jan 2014, 10:30 pm

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I translate eberrything into cats. I think in cats.

any particular breed?

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